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[0:00] Ajahn Brahm: So in a few minutes, I'll try and materialize a talk. Those of you who want
[0:08] to go out, go out. Make a run for it quickly before I start my jokes. Those of you who
[0:15] have got more tolerance of bad humor, please stay.
[0:32] Okay, somebody, again this evening, gave me a great suggestion for a talk, which is concerning
[0:44] how we put these teachings into practice in life. The talk this evening is on how to deal
[0:55] with difficult people. [laughs] I'm sure that's relevant to your life. I don't know why there's
[1:01] so many difficult people in the world, but I'm sure you've met many of them and even today.
[1:09] The reason I give talks like this is to show just how we can apply these great insights
[1:16] from meditation and Buddhism to help solve many of the problems in this world, because the whole point
[1:22] of Buddhist teachings is to lessen suffering, to give more freedom as we grow closer and
[1:26] closer and closer to the pure freedom and bliss and ease of enlightenment.
[1:32] I know, just this afternoon, giving a talk at Curtin University, I was reminded of something
[1:38] I said last Monday night where some people who had never heard of Buddhism before, were
[1:43] asking the old question, "Is Buddhism a way of life or is it a religion"? You should know
[1:50] the answer to that question. It is a religion, for tax purposes.
[1:57] [laughter]
[2:00] Ajahn: You have to be practical about these things. You just ask our treasurer.
[2:04] It's also a way of life. It's a way of dealing with the problems of life. It's many, many things.
[2:11] I usually focus on the practical aspects of Buddhism in these Friday night talks and today,
[2:17] how to deal with the difficult people you see from time to time in your life when you meet with them.
[2:23] Don't think that just because I'm a monk and you live in nice monasteries you don't have
[2:29] your share of difficult people. I don't know what it is like, but sometimes as a monk you
[2:35] attract difficult people. I'm not saying you're difficult. [laughter]
[2:39] Ajahn: ...because people have got nowhere else to go, and, sometimes, a monk's kindness
[2:43] and compassion means that you accept everybody.
[2:49] But first of all, how you deal with difficult people, to know that difficult people are
[2:54] par for the course. When we understand that, we understand it's not unusual to have difficult
[3:04] people. No matter what you do, where you go, and how you behave, you're always going to
[3:08] meet them.
[3:11] So first of all, there's nothing wrong with having difficult people. In fact, we can look upon
[3:16] difficult people...as my teacher Ajahn Chah says,
as great blessings to our life.
[3:24] They teach us patience. They teach us compassion. They actually lead to so much wisdom.
[3:32] Really, you don't learn so much from the nice guys and the nice girls of life, do you?
[3:38] You have a good time with them, but where you really learn your lessons is with the difficult
[3:42] ones, which is why I learn from my teacher in Thailand, Ajahn Chah.
[3:50] Ajahn means "teacher." He said that anything which is irritating you, anything which is
[3:57] troubling you, that is your teacher. Being in Northeast Thailand, we'd always call the
[4:05] mosquitoes "Ajahn mosquito"... [laughter]
[4:09] ...because I learned so much from those damn mosquitoes. [laughs] That's what I
[4:14] thought at the time, those mosquitoes. Because even when we just do loving kindness.
[4:20] For those of you who are Buddhists, you know that we spread love and kindness to all people,
[4:24] all beings, all genders, no matter what you are or who you are.
[4:29] May all beings be happy and well. However, as a young man being a monk in Thailand,
[4:37] I just could not do that. It's impossible. I did the best I can. I used to chant,
[4:44] "May all beings be happy and well, except mosquitoes." [laughter]
[4:48] Ajahn: "May all beings be free from suffering, but not those mosquitoes. They don't deserve,
[4:52] what they've done to me." [laughs] I'm sure that if ever you spread loving kindness,
[4:59] you've also got exceptions. [laughs] But it didn't work well when I had exceptions,
[5:06] so I learned how to learn from those mosquitoes to be kind to them.
[5:11] Sometimes, I was so kind to those mosquitoes I let them bite me. They would land on my
[5:17] hand. I said, "Come on, mosquito, you can bite me. The door of my heart is open to you.
[5:23] It's only a little bit of blood. I know that you need this to have your dinner.
[5:26] And I like my dinner as well, especially as a monk. I know this is your dinner, so have something to eat.
[5:31] Do you know what those mosquitoes did? Sometimes difficult people and difficult beings are
[5:36] like this. They take advantage of you. They put their nose into the skin, and it's irritating.
[5:43] So you just endure that. It's only a few seconds. But these mosquitoes, that was just an exploratory
[5:50] drill. They took their nose out, walked a few steps, and tried somewhere else. [laughter]
[5:55] Ajahn: They were fussy. You have three or four bites just from one mosquito! They were taking
[6:03] advantage of my kindness. [chuckles] That's just the nature of mosquitoes. It doesn't matter.
[6:11] I have plenty of blood, and I learned a lot from that.
[6:14] Number one, first of all, know that the difficult people and difficult beings and difficult
[6:18] situations in life, that's common. There's nothing wrong. You never find any place where
[6:22] you can run away and hide and escape from difficult people or difficult mosquitoes or
[6:27] difficult experiences.
[6:30] So number one, you have to accept that, and you have to learn how to deal with them.
[6:35] One is learn that they're part of life and you can learn so much from them. Number two is to
[6:44] realise that most of the difficulty of difficult people is actually coming from you, the way
[6:50] we react to them.
[6:52] Someone once said, "If ever you see a difficult person, remember, you only have to endure
[6:57] them for maybe a few minutes, a few hours at most." Even if you live with them,
[7:03] it's your husband or your wife, I don't know why you chose that person anyway. That's your
[7:07] karma. [laughter] But anyway once you chose them....
[7:15] Ajahn: Even if they're that close to you, you only have to live with them for a short
[7:20] period of time, but they have to live with themselves all day. Sometimes when you think
[7:28] how irritating they are for you, they'll be equally irritating towards themselves.
[7:34] Those poor people have to live with that mind 24 hours a day.
[7:38] It's a wonderful reflection when you see difficult people. You know if they're that difficult
[7:44] for you to live with, they're also difficult to live with themselves. That gives you so
[7:50] much compassion. It takes away the hurt which you feel, and you notice the hurt that they
[7:55] feel, that they're so difficult to you.
[7:58] It's actually empathizing with the other person, taking the pain away from yourself,
[8:02] "Why do I have to deal with this person?" Get an idea of what they are going through in their head,
[8:07] in their mind, in their life. Some of these people, if they're that difficult to you and
[8:13] you're an ordinary person they've probably got no friends, no one they can really relate to,
[8:17] because they're just such an incredibly difficult character to live with. They're so lonely.
[8:23] That actually arouses a bit of compassion to such people. When you have compassion to
[8:27] such people, your endurance levels go up enormously. You can actually bear dealing with such difficult people
[8:35] because you know they're not going to be around for long.
[8:39] They're going to walk out of your office, or you're going to go home to somebody else.
[8:43] If you can't escape from it, you can always come on a retreat in my monastery or in
[8:47] Dhammasara monastery. There's always some place you can get away. That's one thing you can do,
[8:53] but it's also to know that the difficult people in life, you can actually change them.
[8:59] It's a wonderful thing to know that difficulties which you face in life or difficulties which
[9:05] they experience, they are impermanent! They're not always there. It's just a phase which people
[9:12] go through in their life, being difficult. Of course, that phase may last from birth
[9:16] until death, but it ends eventually. [laughter]
[9:19] Ajahn: It's not forever, but it's nice to know you can actually change people.
[9:24] You can actually see them grow. How you change people is a wonderful psychology which I've learned
[9:32] as a teacher, how you can interact with people and take the cause of them being difficult
[9:38] to themselves and others and actually just move that, nudge that, in a sense of learning
[9:44] to be more kind, more sensitive, less demanding, and less of a pain to live with.
[9:51] It's wonderful. You can do that. How is that done? I was mentioning in a talk this afternoon
[9:56] at Curtin University. I mentioned it a couple of weeks ago. This was a powerful little experience
[10:06] which I had about a month ago, maybe even longer, six weeks ago, in Singapore.
[10:11] I was invited to give a talk at a conference at the Institute of Mental Health. It was
[10:18] one big anniversary of their hospital. They invited me over with all these other psychologists,
[10:26] psychiatrists, doctors and professors, as a monk, to give a talk on how to deal with
[10:32] mental health.
[10:35] What I was talking about there was the things which you heard here before. What I was really
[10:40] impressed with was afterwards there was a devout Christian who was head of one of the
[10:46] wards...departmental head. He invited me to his ward to do some Buddhist chanting.
[10:52] But he told me actually not to tell anybody. Now I've blown it. [laughter]
[10:58] Ajahn: I said, "Why do you say that?" He said, "Because what you said just makes so much
[11:02] sense." He said, "I really respect that wisdom."
[11:07] He said, "What I respect most of all is you're telling us something which we've only recently
[11:11] been practicing. Where we don't focus on the times of the day where our patients are
[11:20] sick and difficult, the times when they experience delusions or psychosis, and are dysfunctional.
[11:28] We just put that aside. The times that they are apparently healthy, where they're relating
[11:36] to themselves and their environment in a sensible way."
[11:40] Because when a person has a mental dysfunction, it's not 24 hours a day. They have periods,
[11:46] times when they're sort of in some sort of delusional state and times when they come out afterwards.
[11:52] He said, "They were focusing on the times when they weren't delusional," and he said,
[11:57] "By focusing on the times when they were healthy." He said, "A healing was happening."
[12:05] The times when they were healthy were extending and the times when they were dysfunctional were decreasing.
[12:13] I'd been teaching that for years. It's wonderful to see that has got in to a modern health system,
[12:20] in the only sort of mental hospital which they have in that city state.
[12:25] I know that's the same with difficult people. If you focus on their difficulties and make
[12:31] a big deal about that, you're actually encouraging those difficulties. You're feeding them and
[12:38] eventually they'll get worse and worse and worse.
[12:42] There's a classic story, and I've used this so many times. If you haven't heard this before,
[12:48] it's a very good one to hear. If you have heard it before, you're learning how to be
[12:52] patient with a difficult monk who keeps on repeating the stories. [laughter]
[12:57] Either way, it works. It's a great story of the demon who came into the emperor's palace.
[13:03] Demon coming into an emperor's palace, and emperor was away. Because he was away
[13:12] there was a monster, a big, ugly terrifying demon came and strolled right into the palace!
[13:23] He was so frightening, so terrifying! Everybody froze in horror at this ugly, disgusting,
[13:34] slimy demon, allowing the demon to go right through, into the heart of the palace and
[13:42] sit on the emperor's throne. As soon as he sat on the emperor's throne, that was just
[13:49] too much for the guards and the ministers. They came to their senses.
[13:53] They said, "Get out of here! Who do you think you are? This is our emperor's seat, not yours!!
[14:01] Get out, or else!" At those harsh words, the demon grew an inch bigger, more ugly,
[14:11] more smelly and the language got far worse..
[14:16] That made the soldiers and ministers even more upset. They got out their swords.
[14:21] They got out clubs. They clenched their fists. But at every unkind word, every angry deed,
[14:31] even every unkind thought, the monster just grew an inch bigger, more ugly, more terrifying,
[14:41] more smelly, and the language from the monster got worse and worse and worse.
[14:49] This had been going on for quite some time before the emperor came back. At this time
[14:57] that demon was so huge he took up half the throne room.
[15:03] He was massive, and talk about ugly and frightening.
[15:08] I've never seen "Alien," the movie, but people said the alien is pretty terrifying.
[15:16] Imagine the alien, multiplied by a thousand! This was so terrifying, not even
[15:25] DreamWorks could manufacture such a terrifying, horrible spectacle as this ugly demon.
[15:33] According to the story, the smell, the stench coming off this demon's body would make maggots
[15:42] throw up. [laughter]
[15:45] It takes a lot to make a maggot sick. [laughter]
[15:49] And the language coming from this demon was worse! Was worse than you'd hear in
[15:56] Northbridge after both the Eagles and the Dockers lose. [laughter]
[16:03] So this was a problem, a real difficult being coming into the palace. But when the emperor
[16:10] came back...the reason he was emperor was he'd been to Nollamara, heard the talks and was wise. [laughter]
[16:17] I always change these stories every time. Embellish them this way and that way,
[16:21] so you can always hear a new angle.
[16:24] The emperor had also read "Opening the Door of Your Heart," which is available at the book shop for $25 [laughter]
[16:35] Ajahn: I've also learned marketing. I was at an entrepreneurship business conference this afternoon.
[16:40] But anyway, the emperor said, "Welcome. Oh monster, thank you so much for coming to
[16:51] visit me. Why have you waited such a long time to come and pay me a call?'
[16:57] At those few kind words, the monster grew an inch smaller, less ugly, less smelly,
[17:01] less offensive. All the people in the palace realized their mistake. Instead of saying,
[17:07] "Get out of here, you don't belong! What are you doing here? You don't belong in here!"
[17:11] they started to say, "Welcome."
[17:15] One of them said, "Actually, do you want something to drink? We've got some orange juice, freshly
[17:20] squozen." Squeezed...squozen? I don't know, who cares? [laughter]
[17:27] Ajahn: "Would you like something to eat? We've got some nice curry puffs." Are they available
[17:35] this evening? I don't know, I didn't see what's out there. "They got some curry puffs.
[17:39] We've got some sandwiches." Someone said, "Would you like a pizza? I can ring up.
[17:45] Monster size of course for someone like you." [laughter]
[17:48] Ajahn: Someone gave the monster a foot massage. Have you ever had a foot massage? Imagine
[17:52] a monster, with such big feet. It took about 10 of them to give each foot a massage.
[17:57] Someone else, "Do you want a cup of tea? We have English tea. We have peppermint.
[18:03] It's good for your health. Or a cup of coffee? Latte, cappuccino, or Brazilian?" I don't
[18:10] really know what I'm talking about with coffee. [laughter] I just drink whatever I'm given.
[18:18] Ajahn: So anyway, at every kind word or kind deed or kind thought the demon grew an inch smaller,
[18:25] less ugly, less offensive, less smelly. It wasn't such a long time even before the monster's pizza
[18:30] arrived he was back down to the size when he first began, when he first came in. They kept laying
[18:36] on the kindness until that demon got so tiny one more act of kindness and that demon vanished
[18:44] completely away.
[18:47] The Buddha told that story in the Udana, but there was no mention of pizzas and peppermint tea.
[18:52] I made that up. Buddha told that story in Udana. He said, "We call those things anger-eating
[19:00] demons. When you give them anger, they get bigger, less ugly, less offensive, less smelly,
[19:08] their language gets worse." He said, "The only way we can overcome the anger-eating demons
[19:14] in life is with kindness. Welcome. Thank you for visiting for me."
[19:20] Many difficult people you meet in life are anger-eating demons! You give them anger, you say,
[19:28] "Get out of here, you don't belong in here," it actually does get worse. So instead of saying,
[19:35] "Get out of here, you don't belong," some of the difficult people you say, "Welcome.
[19:43] Thank you for coming to bother me." [laughs] You don't actually say that. You say, "Thank
[19:49] you for coming to visit me," and give them kindness.
[19:54] Now sometimes people say, "Well, that doesn't work. It might be okay for you as a monk. Maybe Ajahn
[20:00] Brahm's got psychic powers, he can actually get into their head and their mind and rearrange
[20:05] their neural pathways so they're not difficult with you." But no, it does work.
[20:11] The first time, over 20 years ago, when I told this story it was when I was teaching
[20:18] in prison, in Karnet Prison Farm, just down the road from my monastery. We still go there most Fridays.
[20:26] When I was teaching that at Karnet Prison Farm one of the prisoners complained and he
[20:32] said, "That is just new age rubbish. It doesn't work in the real world, especially in a prison.
[20:40] Prisons are tough places. If you've got a difficult person you've got to stand up for yourself.
[20:45] That's the only language they understand."
[20:48] Of course, I wasn't having any of that. I said, "I don't believe you." He said,
[20:52] "You don't live in prison." I said, "Monastery we have cells, we have wall around."
[20:58] Actually, they don't have a wall around Karnet but we have a wall around our monastery.
[21:02] Sometimes people, in the early years, they'd actually drive all the way to Karnet Prison Farm and ask
[21:07] where are the monks. [laughter] It was very embarrassing. Luckily, there weren't any monks in it.
[21:14] But anyway, I challenged this guy, I said, "Okay, in this prison, who is the most difficult person
[21:25] you have to deal with?" The prisoner I challenged was with a number of other prisoners. He said,
[21:31] "The chief officer. The chief officer, my job is to serve him tea and coffee every day.
[21:40] That's my job in prison. I hate that guy. He's always really nasty."
[21:47] He told me a story which happened a week before. One of the prisoners in Karnet, he hardly
[21:54] ever had a visit from his family because it's such a hard place to get to. There's no public
[21:58] transport and if you're poor and haven't got a car you have to find a friend who can actually
[22:02] take you all that way. It's a difficult place to get to.
[22:06] He said this man's wife had managed to get a lift to come and see him, but before you
[22:12] can go and see your relations in prison you have to check in, say your name, go through
[22:16] all the security stuff. The chief officer had seen this woman checking in and knew that
[22:23] she had come to see this prisoner and decided to be cruel to the prisoner.
[22:30] On the PA system he said so-and-so, I've got a job for you on the other side of Karnet
[22:38] Prison Farm and sent him to a place where the PA system didn't reach. It's a huge prison
[22:44] farm. He did it on purpose because as soon as his wife had checked in the PA system announced
[22:53] prisoner so-and-so, your wife is here, please go to the visitor's area, but he couldn't hear it from where he'd been sent.
[23:01] The message was repeated two or three times. There was a search to try and find him.
[23:07] They did find him. By the time they found him and he came back visiting hours are over.
[23:13] Better luck next time. He said, "The chief officer did this on purpose with no reason other than
[23:20] spite and trying to give the prisoners a harder time than they deserved. That's why, in that
[23:25] time in prison, he was called a dog."
[23:29] I said, "You hate him?" He said, "Yes. Really big time. He's so difficult. He never respects us,
[23:36] never says anything to us. He always puts us down and treats us like dirt." I said,
[23:41] "Great. This is a challenge. You meet him every day serving tea and coffee. Be kind to him.
[23:49] Don't embrace him with your arms, you'll get in trouble that way, but at least you can embrace him with your heart."
[23:55] I said, "How you can do that is every time you serve a cup of tea or coffee try and
[24:01] put some love and care into that tea or coffee. Try and make it the most beautiful, delicious
[24:05] cup of coffee you possibly can make. Find out what he likes and be kind.
[24:11] Get lots of love and compassion whenever you serve him tea and coffee."
[24:16] So all credit to this prisoner, he tried it, for a week. When I came back after one week, "How is it going?"
[24:23] He said, "It's a complete waste of time. I'm really trying hard to be kind to this guy
[24:27] but every time, even if I put lots of effort into making a nice cup of tea and coffee,
[24:32] he completely ignores me as if I don't exist, as if I'm lower than a cockroach. He even
[24:39] says to the cockroach get out of here, but not me."
[24:44] So I told him, "Carry on." It was about, I'm not sure how long, maybe a couple of months,
[24:50] I had to encourage him and force him to do this, before we got what I call the big breakthrough.
[24:57] One day I actually came to visit and he couldn't wait to tell me this.
[25:01] He said, he'd made this prison officer a beautiful cup of coffee with cream or whatever he found,
[25:06] just the type he thought the prison officer liked, and managed to find him some biscuits
[25:11] which he noticed the prison officer liked, and he said, "Here you are sir, have this
[25:16] coffee, and I've found some special biscuits which I know you like," and the prison officer
[25:21] said, "Er." He grunted. That was our breakthrough. [laughter]
[25:28] It was the first time he acknowledged that this prisoner actually lived and existed and
[25:33] breathed. That grunt, I said, "Wow, this is exciting!" That is the crack in the dam wall.
[25:40] I was right. It was only about two or three weeks later the prisoner managed to find a
[25:45] special cup of tea, a sandwich or whatever, handed it to this prison officer, the chief officer,
[25:49] who was a dog, and the chief officer turned around and said, "Thank you."
[25:58] All the other prisoners were telling me this and they were all looking at me and they said,
[26:01] "You don't realize just how the prison grapevine works. That has gone to every prison in the
[26:06] state." That this chief officer could say thank you to a prisoner was unbelievable.
[26:14] I won the challenge. I knew I'd win eventually. Even such a dog you can change into a cuddly
[26:21] little puppy with lots and lots and lots of kindness.
[26:26] You can turn difficult people around, but it just takes a lot and lot of patience,
[26:32] a lot of kindness. Some of you will not be able to do that. It's too much for you. You have
[26:36] to know your limitations. But it does work if you really push at it. The most difficult
[26:43] people can become the best of your friends. Sometimes it's a challenge which is worth
[26:50] facing in life. You have people in the office. Give them kindness.
[26:56] But when they give unkindness back to you and difficulty to you, know your limitations.
[27:01] If you have to run away, fine. If you have to, talk to them and point out what it feels like.
[27:09] What I talked about this afternoon in the conference is also what I talked about here, the old sandwich
[27:15] technique. If you do have to tell a person "you're being difficult to me, I've got my own
[27:20] space that I need to protect, whatever", you don't go blurting out the negative stuff straight away.
[27:27] That will never work.
[27:29] Whenever you are talking to someone and want to bring up a difficult problem, in other
[27:33] words to criticize them, to tell them they're making a problem for you, sandwich technique.
[27:39] Two or three pieces of praise first of all. "You're a really nice person, just the way
[27:45] you work, you're so diligent, you're so well dressed or whatever!
[27:50] Something which praises them, and then you tell them.
[27:58] Say you want to criticize me. You say, "Ajahn Brahm, you're such a nice monk, coming all
[28:03] the time, giving these talks, and they're very inspiring." When you say things like that
[28:07] I open up to you. You lighten [?] me. I'm listening to you. Then you say, "But your jokes are
[28:11] sometimes a bit over the top [laughter], but I know that you do look after the monasteries and look
[28:19] after the Buddhist society." You praise afterwards.
[28:23] If you actually sandwich your criticism between heaps and heaps of praise, people actually listen to it.
[28:29] So if you are dealing with a difficult person and you really need to tell them,
[28:33] they really need to listen to you to know exactly what they're doing and the problems they're
[28:37] causing, please praise them first of all. Get on their right side. Then they know they're
[28:43] not being attacked.
[28:47] Push this back at you. Isn't that what you need when you're being told off because you
[28:50] are difficult people, as well? Sometimes aren't you? It's always somebody else. Sometimes we create difficulties
[28:57] for others. If I was going to tell you off, this is how I would do it. I'd praise you,
[29:05] first of all, butter you up, make you know that I appreciate and value and care for you.
[29:12] If you just give criticism straight away what we feel is that person, why are they my enemy?
[29:19] Why are they just saying this to me? Don't they realize how hard I work and the difficulties
[29:23] and problems I have to face? When you get criticism straight away you just get defensive,
[29:27] you justify yourself, and you don't listen to the other person. You don't take it on-board.
[29:33] By getting that acceptance, the very fact that you're accepted, you're appreciated,
[29:38] you're valued means you're opening up. Then you put the criticism in and you butter over
[29:44] afterwards. I really like you, you're really valued, thank you for being who you are.
[29:50] Then people actually can listen.
[29:53] A lot of times people don't realize they're being difficult to you. It's weird, but they
[30:00] think they're being a friend. They think they're being them or they're being funny or they're
[30:04] being whatever. Sometimes we do need feedback to know exactly what we're doing and how we come across.
[30:13] I remember playing this game once with one of my fellow monks about 32 years ago.
[30:20] We sat down and we wrote what we thought of each other and then we passed it to each other.
[30:26] It was amazing for me to listen to what another person thought of me. It wasn't what I thought
[30:33] he thought of me and what I thought of him wasn't what he thought I thought of him, completely different.
[30:40] The way that we relate to each other is not actually the way that we are thought of.
[30:48] So sometimes they don't realize they're being difficult, so they do need some feedback. That has to
[30:52] be done on the sandwich technique, at the right time and place, and then people will
[30:57] take it aboard, and they can change, and how do they change?
[31:00] Make sure they're not put in the situations where that difficulty arises from in the beginning.
[31:06] One of the reasons why people are difficult, why sometimes you are difficult, is because
[31:10] people are too stressed out. When you're stressed out at work, you take it back home, give people
[31:18] a hard time at home, and then because you have a hard time at home, you have family
[31:22] problems, when you go back to work, you're stressed out at work even before you begin your day.
[31:28] You are in the cycle of negativity and stress, so much so that we really should deal with
[31:37] that problem, whether at home, or at work, to learn how to de-stress, and to be able
[31:44] to de-stress a little bit of meditation really works.
[31:47] You know the old story, how heavy is a cup? The longer I hold it, the heavier it feels,
[31:52] if I keep holding this for five minutes, my arm aches, 10 minutes, I'm in great pain.
[31:56] If I keep holding this for half an hour, I'm a very stupid monk. [laughter]
[32:01] Ajahn: What should I do when it starts to get heavy? Put it down for five minutes.
[32:07] If you don't believe me, you can try this out at home. [laughs] It works, after five minutes
[32:11] you pick it up again, it's much lighter. It feels lighter. It's exactly the same weight,
[32:16] it feels lighter because you have rested. Your stress is nothing to do with how much work you have.
[32:28] The amount of responsibilities and duties you have, that is not the cause of stress.
[32:33] The cause of stress is when it gets too heavy to bear, you don't know how to put it down.
[32:36] You're afraid of putting it down for a few minutes, to rest, to get your energies and
[32:41] strength back up, and you will find, as any psychologist or monk will tell you...actually,
[32:48] we teach the psychologists, that's where they got all their ideas from. [laughter]
[32:52] Ajahn: We should patent them, but we give things out for free.
[32:57] Ajahn: This is the work you have. You find if you put it down for 5 or 10 minutes,
[33:03] it's not 5 or 10 minutes wasted! It's actually an investment of time. Because when you're
[33:11] rested, afterwards, the quality of your work improves enormously. You get more done in
[33:17] less time too. You become more efficient, and sometimes at work we mistake the quantity
[33:26] of work for its quality and efficiency.
[33:29] Giving yourself a break, 10 minutes of meditation, rest, or whatever, and I recommend the toilet
[33:36] is a great place to meditate. [laughter]
[33:38] Ajahn: You can put on, "engaged" there, no one will bother you, and you can always say
[33:42] you were constipated. You're not lying, because your brain was constipated. [laughter]
[33:48] Ajahn: Then rest for a few minutes. When you come out afterwards, you make up that 10 minutes
[33:53] you spent in the loo very quickly. So you get more work done, more efficiency, higher
[34:00] quality, and you're not stressed out,
[34:03] so when you go home, you can enjoy the company of your relations, your kids, and
[34:08] your wife, your husband, and even actually relax and enjoy your dinner. Because when you enjoy
[34:14] the company of home...again, home is supposed to be a place where you de-stress, you can
[34:19] relax, have a good dinner, and meet the people you love and care for.
[34:23] When you have a nice rest in the evening, you go back to work in the morning, then you're
[34:26] sort of calm. It's a cycle which you can either have a vicious cycle of stress and argument
[34:31] at home, or stress at work, and you get really crazy, or you can break that cycle, rest a
[34:36] little bit at work. You get more done, you come home, you relax, everything is going
[34:40] well at home so you...happy at work as well. You get more done there.
[34:45] That's a cycle where you don't become a difficult person to live with. That's why I say to people
[34:51] when they come on meditation retreats, they're doing meditation here on a Saturday afternoon,
[34:56] or beforehand, "Why do you meditate?" Because other people have to put up with you. [laughter]
[35:03] Ajahn: That's one of the great reasons to meditate, and if you meditate, you're a much
[35:06] nicer person afterwards. Many times when I've been teaching meditation, especially down
[35:14] at Armadale, I don't know why this happens always in Armadale group. In Armadale group,
[35:19] sometimes after the meditation, talking to people afterwards, and very often people say,
[35:25] "You know, this evening, I never wanted to come."
[35:28] "It's Tuesday evening, I've been at work, and I'm tired, and I told my kids I'm not
[35:35] going this evening, and my daughter said, 'Mommy, you must go to meditation.' I said,
[35:40] 'I don't feel like it darling, I'm tired.' 'Mommy, you must go to meditation!' 'No, not
[35:46] this evening.' 'Mommy, go to meditation!!' 'Why darling?' 'Because you're a much nicer
[35:53] mommy when you come back.'" [laughter]
[35:56] Ajahn: So they go. Many of the kids actually understand that. They can see the change in
[36:02] you when you de-stress, so you're not such a difficult mother or a difficult father
[36:11] to your own kids. This is actually how you can see in practice, a little bit of rest
[36:18] makes people less difficult people to live with.
[36:23] You see, in the course of these things, so it's not just being compassionate and kind,
[36:27] it's actually knowing the causes of being difficult, and dealing with them by giving
[36:34] yourself a bit of rest, being de-stressed.
[36:37] One the other things about being a difficult person...You know what it's like sometimes,
[36:40] just so much stuff comes on top of you, so many things to do. I've had an incredibly
[36:45] busy week, but when I have a busy week, I try really hard never to get negative.
[36:51] Sometimes I go, "Oh, why me? Why do I have to deal with all these crazy people? Why do
[36:58] I have to take all these calls?" Sometimes from overseas, people ring up, they're crazy.
[37:05] It's what I've called here, "Dial-up a monk service." [laughter]
[37:09] Ajahn: Sometimes, even people have lost their dog, over in sort-of Canada somewhere, and they say
[37:14] "Can you do some chanting for me over the phone?" [laughter]
[37:21] Ajahn: I was saying today that I was in Japan three or four weeks ago, and Japan is such
[37:26] a high tech country, and if we ever...I should maybe do a fundraiser soon to buy a robot monk... [laughter]
[37:33] Ajahn: ...like a cyborg, it can look like me or any other monk, we'll put a robe on
[37:38] it, so if they want any chanting, you can just put a donation in a little slot here,
[37:42] press a button, and we can give you the blessing services... [laughter]
[37:46] Ajahn: ...or even on a Friday night if I'm not feeling myself, and just want a bit of
[37:49] a rest, I can put my cyborg up here, you put one of the old CDs of favorite talk, press
[37:55] a button, and no one will know the difference. [laughter]
[37:59] Ajahn: This goes...an idea, it's got some potential. [laughter]
[38:05] Ajahn: But I would never do that, because of, "Why do I have to work so hard?"
[38:12] Because when you get sort of negative, you do become a difficult person to live with,
[38:18] so I know that whatever you have to do in life, you embrace it, have fun with it. If you teach
[38:26] a person to have fun with the difficulties of life, to embrace them, then you'll find
[38:30] that you never get a difficult character.
[38:34] Seeing a person who is a difficult person to live with, it is because they're fighting their life.
[38:41] They're angry at just what life gives them, and they're probably working too
[38:46] hard, "Why do I have to do all of this? Why does all these things happened to me? Why
[38:51] is this life so tough for me?" and they take it out on you, and all the other people they live with.
[38:56] Hope I never take it out on the monks which I live with. Instead, you just embrace it,
[39:02] take it on board, it's just life. You can't change life, but as I said many times,
[39:07] you can always change the attitude you have to life. It's an attitude problem we have, that's all.
[39:14] What's wrong with working hard? You can only do one thing at a time, that's all I ever do.
[39:20] That's why we never get angry at people not turning off their mobile
[39:24] phones, we embrace that. [laughter]
[39:27] Ajahn: Thank you so much for giving me an opportunity to explain just how you can embrace
[39:33] the difficulties of life. [laughter]
[39:38] Ajahn: Look, I had a choice, I could get angry at someone not turning off their mobile phone,
[39:42] but why get angry for? It's already been turned on, big deal, so you don't get angry
[39:47] at life, you just embrace it. People make mistakes. I make mistakes. I made a big mistake,
[39:51] I hope she's not here today. Last Sunday I was doing a marriage service for one of the
[39:57] people who comes here regularly, and she's married to a nice young boy. You always have
[40:02] to get married to a boy, I suppose, if you're a girl. [laughter]
[40:04] Ajahn: I don't know why I said that, but anyway she was getting married... [laughter]
[40:08] Ajahn: ...and after the service, doing the blessing service, and I said to him...
[40:14] That's right, this elderly man came to stand next to him, and I said, "Oh, is that your father?"
[40:21] And the old man said, "No, I'm the best man." [laughter]
[40:23] Ajahn: He was not very happy at me. [laughter]
[40:30] Ajahn: Or, like I was telling a funeral director on...When was it? On Wednesday, or
[40:36] Tuesday...Thursday, Thursday, yesterday. I was telling the funeral director about one
[40:40] of the funerals I did once for a couple who comes here. One of their parents died.
[40:48] I'm doing the funeral service and saying, "Oh, it's such a shame that your mother passed
[40:54] away, she was such a good Buddhist, and she'd done so much."
[40:57] Then this old lady stood up at the back and said, "It's not me, it's my husband. I'm alive!
[41:04] It's he who's dead." [laughter]
[41:08] Ajahn: I do stupid things many times. [laughter]
[41:13] Ajahn: But when you make a stupid thing, instead of getting tense about it and being
[41:18] a difficult person, you laugh at life. I actually try and collect all my stupid mistakes, and
[41:25] try and tell you all about them... [laughter]
[41:27] Ajahn: ...so that you laugh. When you make a mistake, it's like a wonderful opportunity
[41:31] to make people laugh. That's why one of the sayings, "When you ever make a
[41:37] stupid mistake, and people laugh, you laugh as well, because then the world never laughs
[41:45] at you, it only laughs with you." So we laugh as well at the stupidity of life and making
[41:53] a mistake, and that way we embrace and accept things, even the difficult things, and we
[41:58] don't become a difficult person.
[42:01] No matter what you have to deal with, you can embrace and make it work, so if you learn
[42:09] that, then you're not one of the difficult people in life. It's always other people who
[42:14] are difficult. No matter who those other people are. They're us, so when we
[42:23] learn how not to be difficult, we can maybe give those skills to other people,
[42:28] but not be so demanding of life by having an attitude which is more accepting of life.
[42:34] When it's a problem, we know how to deal with it with the...what's it called? The sandwich method.
[42:44] That way, the other people and yourself can actually live peacefully together.
[42:48] But I've already mentioned in passing, the most difficult person in your whole life is not the boss from hell.
[42:57] The most difficult person is not, sort-of, the person you married, or your mother-in-law.
[43:06] Somebody actually told me, "You know, mother in law is an anagram. You can actually change the
[43:11] letters of mother-in-law, and it comes out, 'Hitler woman.'" [laughter]
[43:18] Ajahn: I might get in trouble for that one. But it's true, work it out. Write out "mother-in-law,"
[43:25] and you can see it. But many mothers-in-law are not Hitler women, they're very nice people.
[43:29] But, where there is a difficult person in your life, sometimes that can be you,
[43:37] and actually they're not the most difficult person in life. The most difficult person in life is yourself, isn't it?
[43:44] The one you have the hardest time living with at peace, and embracing, and being kind to, is you.
[43:53] It's important to recognize that. Learning to live with difficult people,
[43:57] first of all you have to learn how to live with a difficult you, and what's the difficulty with you?
[44:02] Anyway, who do you want to be? Of course, if you want to be something other than you are,
[44:08] if you want to be the great meditator who can fly through the air on a Friday evening,
[44:14] you've never seen that before, that would make it interesting.
[44:17] Ajahn: If you always want to give the best talks, or if you always want to be the wisest
[44:22] and skillful comedian, and get everyone always to laugh at your jokes...Actually, one of
[44:29] my favorite comedians, he once said..he wrote his autobiography, and he said when he was
[44:35] young he always wanted to be a comedian. He said, "His friends would laugh at him for
[44:41] wanting to be a comedian." Now he's a comedian, they don't laugh anymore. [laughter]
[44:48] Ajahn: What was the other...one of his other favorite jokes was, he said, "When I die..."
[44:52] He was contemplating on death, which is a Buddhist thing to do, so this is almost a
[44:55] Buddhist joke. He said, "When I die, I want to die in my sleep just like my father.
[45:01] He died in his sleep. Not like the passengers in the bus he was driving at the time, screaming and shouting." [laughter]
[45:14] Ajahn: That was a nice joke. [laughter]
[45:22] Ajahn: Anyhow, where was I going with this story? Being kind to yourself, and accepting yourself,
[45:30] is actually learning not to be your own enemy. Not to be a difficult person to yourself.
[45:36] You know, I have got my idiosyncrasies, and they've all been on display for the last
[45:40] 20 years in this place. You know who I am, but you accept yourself as you are.
[45:47] You relax, you allow yourself to make mistakes, you allow yourself to be who you are.
[45:52] You have this beautiful sense of embracing yourself with all of your idiosyncrasies.
[45:58] In other words, you become at peace with yourself. That's actually what many people do when they
[46:04] come to a place like this. They learn how to accept themselves as they are, to be at
[46:11] peace with themselves, and not being the most difficult person in the world to live with.
[46:19] Strange thing, but as a monk, I spend many, many hours by myself. Sometimes people ask that
[46:29] "As a monk, you never had a wife, haven't got kids, aren't you ever lonely? Sometimes
[46:36] on retreat, you never speak to a person for two weeks. Did a six-month retreat once, never
[46:40] spoke to a person, or saw anyone for six months, weren't you lonely?"
[46:46] I have to answer them when they ask that question, "Actually, I'm never lonely. I never feel
[46:53] wanting to have to be with people, but I like people, but I don't have to be with people,
[46:58] so even in times of solitude I never feel lonely." When they asked me that question
[47:03] the first time I thought, "Why not?" and I realized actually that there's
[47:07] always somebody around - me.
[47:13] Because I'm a friend of myself, because I like me, I'm always with my best friend.
[47:20] At nighttime, in my cave, where I live at Serpentine, I always go to sleep with my best friend,
[47:27] me, and because I'm at peace with myself, and accept myself, understanding I'm not perfect,
[47:35] but I'm good enough, then I'm never lonely.
[47:39] Lonely people are people who don't like themselves, people who are afraid of themselves, so when
[47:48] no one else is around, you're with this strange and terrifying being called "me," which you
[47:54] haven't really made peace with yet, haven't really understood yet.
[47:58] Once you understand who you are, you accept yourself with some kindness, you become at
[48:03] peace with yourself. Actually, you like yourself, you find one of the greatest insights you
[48:11] could ever have is, "I'm OK insight" - to realize there's absolutely nothing wrong with you,
[48:19] as you are, you are perfect. You don't believe that, which is why you keep trying to change yourself.
[48:28] When you make peace with yourself, and accept yourself for who you are, then you're a friend
[48:33] to yourself, you never feel lonely, because you're there all the time. Only people who
[48:38] don't like themselves feel lonely. They are the biggest problem. They are the difficulty.
[48:45] Something strange happens, once you actually solve that difficulty, "you," and make peace
[48:51] with yourselves, and at ease with yourself, no one else in the world would ever be difficult for you.
[48:59] There won't be difficult people anymore, because the difficulty of other people is just a projection
[49:07] from yourself. It's why I've noticed, when people criticize others, "He talks too much."
[49:15] I notice the person doing the criticism also talks too much. [laughter]
[49:19] Ajahn: I've seen people say, "You eat too much." It's only fat people say others eat
[49:25] too much. It's amazing how people criticize because it's something in their character
[49:31] they don't like about themselves, which they project onto other people. I notice that,
[49:38] and think it's a common psychological trait. So the only reason you find other people difficult
[49:46] is because you find yourself difficult.
[49:51] If you can actually heal the problem, coming to peace with yourself, being at ease with yourself,
[49:58] accepting yourself, then you can find you can accept just about every other being.
[50:05] Of course, as a monk, I've come to peace with myself a long time ago.
[50:08] I have these crazy people come and talk to me, stupid people come and talk to me, wise
[50:15] people, beautiful people, they're all beautiful people, they're just who they are, so I respect
[50:20] people, and of course I've been in these jails, and saw these real crooks in the jails.
[50:26] I've been talking to politicians and seen the crooks on the outside as well.
[50:31] [laughter] Sorry, they're not real crooks, they're just people, they're trying to do their best,
[50:36] but sometimes they've got their defilements as well. So when you start to see people for
[50:42] who they are, and you can accept them and be with them as they are, then there's no
[50:47] such thing as a difficult person anymore.
[50:51] I remember this one lady, no other monk would be able to talk with her, and she would come
[50:57] on the telephone...I think [?] knows who I'm talking about, and she would
[51:02] swear, F-words, bloody words, "Bloody monks, I'm going to come up there with an M-16 and
[51:06] shoot you all." I said, "OK, that's a nice thing to do." [laughter]
[51:13] Ajahn: I understood her. No, she's a really difficult person, but because I never reacted
[51:19] back, because I always react in kindness, she always loved me and said, "You're the
[51:23] only person who understands me," and of course she never came to the monastery with an M-16 to shoot us all.
[51:30] She was just taking out her venom on someone who would listen and not take it seriously.
[51:34] I could understand where she was coming from, the pain of her life, the difficulties of
[51:37] her life and embracing her for who she was. Then she'd calm down, become very peaceful
[51:44] and tell me all about her life, a very painful difficult life. She was not a problem.
[51:51] She was not a difficulty. As I understood myself, I could understand her.
[51:57] You can actually calm down the so called difficult people in this world when you have learned
[52:03] how to calm down yourself. Then everybody in the world is not difficult anymore.
[52:11] It's not as if they continue those bad habits which other people think as difficult. Because you
[52:17] can calm them down, accept them peacefully, they don't need to express that difficulty
[52:21] anymore in those dysfunctional ways.
[52:24] It is exactly the same as in the hospital you are focusing on the beautiful parts of
[52:28] them, the beautiful parts of them grow. How we can deal with difficult people in life,
[52:37] not just difficult people but difficulty in ourselves, and the difficult situations in
[52:42] life which occur again and again and again in life. Your flight gets canceled because
[52:48] Bangkok airport is closed. Wonderful! You can spend more time in Perth.
[52:53] Those people in Bangkok? Great place to see, get two extra days of holiday and your boss
[52:58] can't actually blame you. Why do we make life difficult instead of exploiting life?
[53:07] When life doesn't go the way we want it, great! Wonderful! And even when people
[53:14] criticize you unfairly, what a wonderful experience that is, to be criticized and test yourself out.
[53:25] Don't know when was the last time I told this story about a donkey who fell in the well. Once upon a time... [laughter]
[53:37] Ajahn: ...there was a donkey, just walking happily along in the forest, just munching
[53:44] and minding its own business. Because it wasn't mindful, he fell into a well, the well was
[53:52] dry so it didn't drown, and he didn't really injure himself, just a few bruises and scratches.
[54:00] When the donkey came to his senses he realized he was at the bottom of a well and there's
[54:05] no way up because donkeys can't climb. The only thing the donkey thought he could do
[54:11] was to cry for help to get someone's attention otherwise he would die down there of starvation.
[54:17] So he started crying for help. [makes donkey sound] I can't really do donkey noises, as
[54:24] I think now you have understood because probably I've got no previous incarnations as a donkey. [laughter]
[54:29] Ajahn: Those people who imitate animal noises, it must be that in your last life you were
[54:34] an animal. [laughter] As for me, I wasn't a donkey in my last life so [makes donkey sound] is the
[54:39] best I can do. " [makes donkey sound] ," said the donkey again and again. After a couple
[54:44] of hours actually somebody heard him. It was the local farmer. "What's making that noise?"
[54:50] He came over and saw it was coming from the well. He looked down, "my goodness,
[54:54] a donkey has fallen down that well."
[54:58] Now that farmer never liked that donkey. The donkey was always eating his farm produce and was
[55:04] being very stubborn. He'd never do what the farmer wanted. He also realized that well
[55:09] was a very dangerous thing. Somebody might fall in that well, a human.
[55:14] He thought of a wonderful idea. He could get rid of that dangerous well and the donkey
[55:21] at the same time.
[55:24] He got out a spade and started filling that well with earth. The cruel farmer.
[55:33] Now, if you do something like that it's called "bad karma." If you do any bad karma you're going
[55:38] to get unpleasant consequences, as you will see as this story develops. [laughter]
[55:48] So this donkey at the bottom of the well, thinking at first the farmer would help him,
[55:54] realized the farmer's trying to kill him by shoveling all this dirt over the donkey.
[56:00] When the donkey realized that, [makes donkey sound] even louder. [laughter]
[56:06] But that didn't stop the farmer. He just kept shoveling more dirt over this donkey,
[56:12] more and more dirt, trying to fill in the well and bury the donkey alive. After a while
[56:18] the donkey went quiet and never said anything. The farmer thought, "I've killed him."
[56:26] "I've buried him. Good riddance," and kept on shoveling.
[56:31] But the donkey hadn't died. The donkey, who must have also gone to Nollamara in the previous life... [laughter]
[56:40] Ajahn: ...had insight. He was a very smart donkey. Never underestimate donkeys. His insight
[56:48] was this. Instead of complaining when people throw dirt all over you, instead of complaining,
[56:55] just shake it off, tread it in, and he found he was growing a centimeter taller. The next
[57:05] shovel full of earth, shake it off, stamp it in, he's another centimeter higher. Every shovel of earth,
[57:14] he was getting closer and closer to the top of the well.
[57:19] Now the farmer, thinking the donkey had died already, paid no attention at all, shoveling, shoveling,
[57:25] when a pair of donkey ears appeared above the top of the well. Shovel, shovel, shovel.
[57:30] Shake it off, stamp it in, until a donkey head appeared at the top of the well. Before
[57:36] the farmer realized, the donkey was close enough to the surface it jumped out and bit the farmer on the backside. [laughter]
[57:46] Ajahn: Not because the donkey didn't like the farmer, but because he had to show the
[57:51] farmer the law of karma. [laughter] He was just an agent of cause and effect. He ran away. That's how the donkey
[58:02] escaped from the well. The moral of that story is, and I've told that to politicians. I even, actually, told that to the president
[58:08] of Sri Lanka a couple of years ago, all you Sri Lankans here, he loved that story, because, being a politician, people are always
[58:13] throwing dirt on you. Shrug it off, stamp it in, and you get higher moral ground.
[58:21] It's the same with you. People criticize you. Your husband calls you ugly. You called him stupid,
[58:30] whatever it is. Just shrug it off, stamp it in, and you'll get closer to the top of the well.
[58:34] That's how to deal with difficult people. People called me lazy because I haven't got a proper job. [laughter]
[58:47] I say, "Well, in this time of economic difficulty, I'm freeing the labor market up
[58:52] for you people to get jobs rather than take it myself." People are saying, "Oh, you're
[58:56] scared of relationships, because you don't have children." I'll say, "I'm making the
[59:02] planet more carbon neutral because if you have kids, how much of a carbon footprint do you get
[59:08] with kids? Being celibate, I'm doing my bit for overpopulation."
[59:15] So whatever it is, when people criticize you, you can always turn it around, shake it off,
[59:19] and you don't need to think that they're making life difficult for you. You only make life
[59:25] difficult for yourself. No one else does.
[59:29] There is no such thing as a difficult person, basically, except yourself. You get yourself
[59:35] right, make peace with yourself, and you'll find that everything in life will then also
[59:41] be at peace. All the difficult people will just be people that's all, human beings just
[59:48] being human beings, mosquitoes being mosquitoes, donkeys being donkeys, farmers being farmers.
[59:56] How to deal with difficult people. Thank you for listening.
[59:59] Audience: Sadhu, sadhu, sadhu.
[1:00:02] Ajahn Brahm: So, who is going to be the first difficult person and ask a question? [laughter] Any questions or comments
[1:00:11] tonight? That's a great way of stopping questions, associating that with the difficult person.
[1:00:21] No? Got a question?
[1:00:28] Participant: What about children that[?...?]
[1:00:32] it's getting away with it and will do it again?
[1:00:38] Ajahn: Okay, children who become difficult if you don't pay attention to them, the attention
[1:00:43] seekers in life. How you deal with them? That's just children being children. They're
[1:00:48] not being difficult children. Try and find time with them. If you haven't got time with them,
[1:00:53] you can't find time with them. It's not a difficulty. It's just the nature of children.
[1:00:59] If they want attention from other people and they haven't got attention from their parents,
[1:01:04] sometimes they try it with their teachers, you just do what you can. You can't please
[1:01:07] everybody. Where's the difficulty there?
[1:01:11] The only difficulty is if you think that children shouldn't be like that or you think that you
[1:01:16] shouldn't be like that. That's part of life, and you do what you can. You can't do more
[1:01:24] than that. Then the difficulty finishes. Embracing the reality that children want and seek attention.
[1:01:36] I reckon, is that an answer we can come to accept, or am I sort of skirting around it?
[1:01:40] Participant: I think that he's [inaudible 61:42] .
[1:01:40] Ajahn: [laughs] Very good.
[1:01:40] Participant: [?] I think they see a responsibility. There is a demon, you have to see and point out there's a demon.
[1:02:03] Ajahn: You have to point out there's a demon in them in the sense that you point out that
[1:02:07] they're causing trouble to other people and difficulty to other people. It has to be pointed out.
[1:02:11] How you point it out is the interesting way. Sometimes we haven't got the resources
[1:02:18] to point it out in this particular time. We're tired. We've got other kids to look after
[1:02:22] in a classroom. Sometimes you can find time to take them aside later on.
[1:02:28] It reminds me of the late Abbot Placid. Talking about him, he was the abbot of New Norcia
[1:02:34] who died recently. He was a good friend. I went to his funeral service.
[1:02:37] I remember at a conference at UWA it was actually Father Frank Brennan was there, the Jesuit priest.
[1:02:44] He asked this question, he said, "I do work in universities." "I so easily get on with
[1:02:50] Buddhists, with Hindus, with Jewish, all religions." The only difficulty he has is with the born-again,
[1:02:55] the fundamentalists, the sort-of Charismatic Christians.
[1:03:01] He asked Abbot Placid, not me, he said "What would you be your advice to deal with the Charismatic
[1:03:06] Christians, the real troublemakers?" Abbot Placid said, "Take them out one by one." An outrageous thing for an abbot to say. [laughter]
[1:03:17] Ajahn: He had a great sense of humor. But then he said afterwards, "Deal with them later
[1:03:23] on, singly, one by one." That's actually a very beautiful piece of advice because in
[1:03:30] the case of a bit of a troublemaker, sometimes take them aside, by themselves. It's much
[1:03:34] easier to deal with. The social context sometimes exacerbates their difficulty.
[1:03:42] Pull them aside later on. Just talk to them one by one. Find out what's going on.
[1:03:47] Participant: What would you say to them?
[1:03:49] Ajahn: Sorry?
[1:03:50] Participant: What would you say to them?
[1:03:51] Ajahn: "What would you say to them?" That you can never predict, what you're going to say.
[1:03:56] In no way can I predict what I'm going to say on a Friday night. Or if somebody actually
[1:04:00] comes up to me, they've got a problem, what I'm going to say to them. Your job is never
[1:04:04] plan what you're going to say. If you do, then you're not reacting to the moment. You're
[1:04:10] not being intuitive. You're not listening to the other person. Your job is bring
[1:04:16] them in and see what happens. Listen, be kind, connect, and see what comes next.
[1:04:28] That's why you should always, as I say, always follow your gut feeling except when you've got irritable bowel syndrome. [laughter]
[1:04:40] Ajahn: Your intuition is actually very strong and very smart if you can only tap into that
[1:04:48] by taking away all these plans. Okay, I think that's all you're going to get.
[1:04:53] Another question. Wow, they're being very difficult in that corner. I'll just take you
[1:04:59] out afterwards, one by one. [laughter]
[1:05:02] Ajahn: Yeah, come on. What have you got?
[1:05:04] Participant: What exactly did the mosquitoes teach you? [?] did they?
[1:05:12] Ajahn: What the mosquitoes taught me was how wonderful it is to be in Australia where there aren't so many. [laughter]
[1:05:17] Ajahn: No, the lesson they taught me is actually not to react so much because when I just
[1:05:21] let them be, actually there weren't so many mosquitoes on me. The more I reacted, the more the mosquitoes came.
[1:05:29] I found out afterwards that mosquitoes are attracted to the carbon dioxide coming from
[1:05:35] your pores. The higher the metabolism, the more you've got a neon sign to mosquitoes,
[1:05:42] "Ajahn Brahm's Diner. Please come in and take a meal."
[1:05:47] But when I really relaxed and I didn't bother about them, because you weren't worrying your
[1:05:52] metabolism went down. You were more calm and peaceful, which meant not so much carbon dioxide
[1:05:58] was coming out from your pores, which means, eventually, they couldn't find you.
[1:06:02] They actually taught me a great lesson. The more you worry about these things, the more
[1:06:07] you bring them to you. The more you leave them alone and be at peace,
[1:06:13] the more invisible you are to mosquitoes. They taught me how to just not worry about things, even if they're irritating.
[1:06:22] Understanding life sometimes is irritating, and the only thing you can do is let it be.
[1:06:28] Don't fight it and the irritation disappears, literally. That's what I learned from mosquitoes.
[1:06:36] They're great teachers. The more you fought them, the more they came.
[1:06:43] Okay, so that's enough for this evening. Thanks again for coming. We have now a couple of announcements.
[1:06:50] If you'd like to hand over to Ann, who's our events manager in our committee, giving the
[1:06:56] announcements this evening in Rachel's absence.