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Dream Yoga: Waking UpInside Sleep and Life

Drala Mountain Center
Drala Mountain Center
Jul 29, 2015
7 min read
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The Tibetan Buddhist lineages speak of two dreams: the primary dream, which is our everyday waking reality, and the example dream, which is our nighttime sleep. This distinction opens a disquieting door. We move through life believing ourselves awake, yet by the standards of those whom Buddhism calls the awakened ones—those who have penetrated the nature of reality itself—we are dreaming. Not metaphorically, but in a way that carries profound practical consequences for how we suffer, how we live, and how we die.

Dream yoga is built on this insight. It begins with a simple question: What if you could use your nighttime dreams—the realm your waking mind treats as noise and forgetting—as a laboratory for awakening? Not to escape into fantasies, but to train your consciousness at levels so deep that the changes ripple into every hour of your waking life.

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Lucid Dreaming: The Platform, Not the Destination

To practice dream yoga, you first need lucidity—the ability to realize you're dreaming while inside the dream and remain there, conscious and awake within sleep. Lucid dreaming has become popular in recent years, spawning books, apps, and online forums devoted entirely to its recreational pleasures. There is something genuinely delightful about it: you become, as one teacher describes it, "the writer director producer and main actor of a movie that is entirely your own." You can fly. You can conjure. You can indulge.

But here lies the fork in the road. Lucid dreaming per se—the simple fact of becoming aware within a dream—carries no necessary spiritual component. It can remain what it sounds like: sophisticated play. The problem, from the perspective of contemplative practice, is subtler than it appears. Wherever intention operates, even in a dream, karma operates. The mind trained nightly in indulgence and wish-fulfillment carries those grooves, those habits, into waking life. You wake up well-rested and creative, perhaps, but no more awake in the spiritual sense.

Dream yoga begins where lucid dreaming begins, but it goes a different direction. You achieve lucidity in your dream—that's the platform, the necessary gateway. But then, instead of playing, you engage. You use the dream state itself as a medium for training your mind, cultivating qualities of awakening, transforming yourself at depths that daytime meditation cannot easily reach.

Why the Unconscious Mind Matters for Awakening

Depth psychology, from Freud onward, has established a basic truth: what unfolds on the surface of our lives is dictated by the vast terrain beneath awareness. We call this the unconscious. Most spiritual practice, by necessity, works on the surface. You sit in meditation. You watch your breath. You notice thoughts arising and passing. This is valuable work. But there remains a floor beneath that floor.

Dream yoga accesses it directly. When you're asleep, the cognitive filters that organize waking consciousness loosen. The unconscious becomes more accessible, more malleable. You're no longer filtering experience through the habitual patterns of your daytime identity. You're working, as one teacher phrases it, "at levels as deep as you can get—unconscious levels of mind."

This is why the practice has historically been associated with accelerated spiritual progress. The great Tibetan Buddhist lineage holder Marpa attained full awakening through dream yoga. The path is not theoretical. People have walked it all the way. When you train your deepest, most fundamental habits of mind—the ones that structure how you perceive reality itself—transformation can move with uncommon speed.

From the Dream to Every Waking Moment

The central charter of dream yoga, the thing that distinguishes it from lucid dreaming as mere entertainment, is this: you do not leave the discoveries and practices of the dream realm in the dream. You bring them back. The insights, the shifts in perception, the qualities you cultivate in the lucid state—these become part of your daily life.

This is the move that transforms the practice from interesting hobby into spiritual methodology. You begin to live differently because you have trained your mind, at its deepest levels, differently. The anxieties that governed you before feel less solid. Emotions arise but carry less charge. You sense space around your thoughts, even in moments of stress. What you learned at 3 a.m. in a dream is now available to you at 3 p.m. in a difficult conversation.

And the benefits don't stop in waking life. Dream yoga, in the Tibetan tradition, is also preparation for death. The tradition teaches that the process of dying resembles the process of going to sleep. The sensory world dissolves. Consciousness continues but untethered from the body. If you have trained your mind to remain lucid through transitions—from waking to dream, from dream to dreamless sleep and back—you develop a capacity to remain conscious through the ultimate transition. You move toward death not in confusion or fear, but in knowledge and presence.

The Fear of Going Too Deep

A natural question arises when someone first hears about dream yoga. Most people come to meditation seeking relief: less stress, better sleep, more equanimity in daily life. Mindfulness works. It is gentle, accessible, proven. Then they hear about dream yoga—working with unconscious material, dissolving the normal structures of reality, penetrating the mysteries of mind and death—and something in them contracts. Is this for me? Will I get lost?

The answer, most practitioners find, is no—not if you approach it honestly. Dream yoga doesn't interfere with ordinary sleep. You're not staying awake late, engineering artificial lucidity that exhausts you. The practice is designed to unfold naturally, aligned with your sleep cycles, supportive of rest. And it doesn't require you to abandon your daytime practice or suddenly become advanced. You begin where you are, with standard lucid dreaming, and move deeper only if you choose to.

What dream yoga does require is honesty about why you're practicing. Are you seeking diversion? That's fine as a starting point, but it won't take you far. Are you willing to meet yourself at deeper levels, to train your mind in ways that might challenge your sense of who you are? If yes, then the entire avenue opens. But the choice belongs entirely to you.

The Convergence of East and West

In recent decades, the scientific study of lucid dreaming—particularly through the work of researchers studying the phenomenology of the lucid state itself—has validated what Tibetan teachers have known for centuries: that you can indeed become conscious within dreams, that you can direct attention and intention in that state, and that the capacities you develop there do carry over into waking life. The mechanisms differ between the scientific and the contemplative account, but the basic fact converges: consciousness in dreams is trainable, and the training matters.

This convergence creates an opportunity. A Western practitioner now has both a lived tradition spanning more than a thousand years and contemporary scientific support for the basic practice. The East offers depth and lineage. The West offers measurement and legitimacy. Together, they make a compelling case for an old technology that has been waiting all along—not in books or seminars, but in the one place we all return to every night: the dream.

Where to go from here

If dream yoga sounds like something you want to explore, begin with basic lucid dreaming. Keep a dream journal. Practice reality checks during the day—asking yourself, genuinely, whether you're dreaming. As lucidity becomes more frequent and stable, you can then introduce simple practices: in a lucid dream, try to touch an object and really feel it. Try to sustain the dream as your focus wavers. These are the first steps on a path that, pursued with genuine intention, has led seekers all the way to liberation.

Remember that dream yoga is not something you do between bedtime and morning. It's a comprehensive training in waking up—to the nature of mind, to the habits that bind you, to the vast potential that exists beneath your ordinary consciousness. The nighttime practices are the laboratory. But the real work, and the real freedom, unfolds in every waking moment that follows.

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[0:05] hello and thank you for joining us my

[0:08] name is Travis Newell I live and work

[0:10] here at Shambala Mountain Center where

[0:13] we're going to be hosting awaken in your

[0:16] dreams lucid dream Yoga East and West a

[0:21] program that's going to be led by step

[0:24] Lear and Andrew

[0:26] hollich uh later this summer August 20th

[0:29] through the 25 5th and we're quite

[0:32] excited to uh be hosting this program

[0:35] that real confident will shift

[0:38] participants experience of reality for

[0:41] sure and I'm excited today to have

[0:44] Andrew hollich here for some

[0:47] conversation uh around the topic of

[0:49] dream yoga and lucid

[0:52] dreaming Andrew hich offers seminars

[0:56] internationally on meditation dream yoga

[0:59] and death

[1:01] he is the author of many books including

[1:03] preparing to die practical advice and

[1:06] spiritual wisdom from the Tibetan

[1:08] Buddhist tradition and the audio

[1:10] learning course dream yoga the Tibetan

[1:13] path of Awakening through lucid

[1:16] dreaming and uh see either later this

[1:19] year or next year he's going to be

[1:22] releasing a book titled dream yoga

[1:25] illuminating your life through lucid

[1:27] dreaming and the Tibetan yogas of sleep

[1:29] so um folks who may attend the retreat

[1:33] or aren't able to will definitely have

[1:36] something to look forward to in that

[1:38] book so Andrew thank you so much for

[1:40] taking the time to to join us and have

[1:42] some discussion today oh was my pleasure

[1:45] Travis nice to see you

[1:47] again so I think a good place to start

[1:51] would be a small huge

[1:57] question is this a dream

[2:02] Dream well it's like a dream I mean

[2:05] that's a a pretty sophisticated opening

[2:07] question actually um we talk as you know

[2:10] especially we meaning the Buddhist

[2:12] tradition and as you know Travis the

[2:15] idea of wakening and dreaming is really

[2:17] inherent in in Buddhism Al together I

[2:20] mean the word Buddha comes from the

[2:23] Sanskrit root which means to awaken or

[2:25] to

[2:26] know and uh the implication is that uh

[2:31] and by contrast that means there are

[2:34] those who are not Buddhist that are not

[2:35] awake and are therefore considered to be

[2:37] asleep so according to those who have

[2:40] awakened um in the Buddhist tradition or

[2:42] really from any

[2:44] tradition the implication is that we are

[2:47] in fact um dreaming and what that

[2:52] actually means is a pretty sophisticated

[2:54] question because it's obviously not

[2:56] exactly like a dream this is sometimes

[2:59] referred to this this experience our

[3:01] so-called waking

[3:03] reality is sometimes referred to as the

[3:05] example

[3:07] um I should say the primary dream or or

[3:10] the primary delusion and the nighttime

[3:12] dream is sometimes referred to as the

[3:14] example dream or the double delusion and

[3:19] what this alludes to what it refers to

[3:21] is

[3:22] that for practical purposes we can use

[3:25] our nighttime dreams and Awakening

[3:28] within them which is what Luc dreaming

[3:30] is all about as a way in fact to learn

[3:33] how to wake up from this conditioned

[3:37] reality that brings about so much

[3:39] unnecessary suffering and thereby uh

[3:42] attain The Liberation that the great

[3:43] awakened ones actually did attain so um

[3:47] what we are in sconsin right now is very

[3:50] much like a dream

[3:53] um and really the Practical take on

[3:55] message is that if we engage with a

[3:57] nighttime practices the elegant

[4:00] nocturnal meditations as I refer to them

[4:03] we can in fact use our nighttime

[4:05] experience as a way to wake up during

[4:07] the day these are some of the things

[4:09] that we explore in the program and

[4:11] obviously writings that I do so that's a

[4:15] a wonderfully difficult opening

[4:19] question yeah the simple ones can be

[4:23] complex I suppose so maybe um a

[4:26] clarifying question now you know you're

[4:27] talking

[4:28] about uh practices that we're doing

[4:31] while we're

[4:33] sleeping and so does that differentiate

[4:37] dream yoga from lucid dreaming so maybe

[4:41] um could you say something about what

[4:43] lucid dreaming is and then you know what

[4:46] maybe describe what dream yoga is sure

[4:48] sure sure so yeah I mean lucid dreaming

[4:51] is when you

[4:54] realize that you're actually in a dream

[4:57] but you don't wake up from it um it's a

[4:59] really magical

[5:01] sudden experience that can happen

[5:02] serously to a number of different people

[5:06] and um lucid dreaming per se and some of

[5:09] these definitions are a little bit kind

[5:11] of gray but lucid dreaming per se

[5:14] doesn't necessarily have any practice

[5:17] component to it um very often one of the

[5:19] reasons that lucid dreaming is so

[5:21] popular these days and there's so many

[5:23] books coming out and it's really The

[5:24] Rage of so many websites and lucid dream

[5:27] forums is a uh lucid dreaming can be

[5:32] just a great way to have a tremendous

[5:33] amount of fun I mean you really can do

[5:36] virtually anything that your mind

[5:38] desires um I sometimes use the the

[5:41] analogy that you're the writer director

[5:44] producer and main actor of of a movie

[5:46] that is entirely your own and that as

[5:49] you may might suspect is not necessarily

[5:51] going to wake you up in a spiritual

[5:53] sense you can have a great deal of fun

[5:55] but from a spiritual

[5:58] perspective this kind of IND Indulgence

[6:00] in the lucid dream state can actually

[6:02] create negative Karma because wherever

[6:05] intention is involved even in the dream

[6:07] karma is creative so what differentiates

[6:09] one of the things that differentiates

[6:11] dream yoga from elcid dreaming is that

[6:13] elcid dreaming is really the platform

[6:15] for all the nighttime practices by the

[6:17] way there are several others there's

[6:18] what's called Sleep yoga and then even

[6:21] further BTO yoga but the main um

[6:23] practice of course is dream yoga so what

[6:25] happens is you use Lucidity in the dream

[6:27] as a platform you wake up standard lucid

[6:30] dream and dream yoga is differentiated

[6:33] because now you

[6:35] engage the dream state in other words

[6:37] you engage your mind in the medium of

[6:39] the dream as a way to train your mind as

[6:42] a way to cultivate qualities of

[6:46] Awakening and you don't then just leave

[6:48] the discoveries that you have in the

[6:51] lucid dream state the fundamental

[6:53] Charter you could say is to take the

[6:55] insights that you been glean the

[6:57] practices that you accomplish in you

[7:00] drain stake and then you bring those

[7:02] into your daily life and this is where

[7:04] it becomes extraordinarily profound it's

[7:06] really a very evolved very sophisticated

[7:10] way to accelerate processes of Spiritual

[7:13] Awakening because you're working with

[7:16] extremely subtle and deep levels of

[7:18] mind about as deep as you can get I mean

[7:22] you're really working with unconscious

[7:25] levels of mind and as we all know really

[7:27] whatever we do in our surface mind

[7:30] really depth psychologists and virtually

[7:32] everybody in the psychological world

[7:34] since Freud can tell you that what we do

[7:36] on the surface of our life is dictated

[7:38] by what takes place you could say

[7:42] metaphorically in the tectonic sphere of

[7:45] our being in our our unconscious mind so

[7:48] when you're working with dream yoga you

[7:50] can actually access the unconscious mind

[7:52] a little bit more directly and then

[7:54] hence achieve more rapid spiritual

[7:57] progress um evolution in some instances

[8:01] you know complete full-blown Spiritual

[8:04] Awakening for instance in the the

[8:05] Buddhist tradition kapo the great

[8:09] lineage holder of one of the foring

[8:11] schools of Tibetan budhism attain his

[8:12] spiritual awakening through dream yoga

[8:15] so the practice goes very deep and very

[8:16] profound and and it's something that can

[8:19] be used initially when I work with

[8:22] people I like to introduce them to good

[8:24] old standard lucid dreaming because

[8:26] really it's a great deal of fun it's

[8:27] tremendously entertaining this

[8:29] inherently nothing wrong with that it's

[8:31] a great way to start the game but then

[8:34] for people who are interested in going

[8:36] deeper then this entire Avenue of

[8:38] psychological and Spiritual Development

[8:40] is really waiting anyone who likes to

[8:42] engage in these

[8:47] practices anyone who you know wants to

[8:51] go deeper so I guess that there's sort

[8:53] of a question that was coming up for me

[8:55] around wonder

[8:57] who this is for

[9:01] um when we talk

[9:03] about um you know having a meditation

[9:07] practice or a yoga practice in our daily

[9:11] live lives on planet Earth

[9:15] [Music]

[9:16] um it seems rare that we're talking

[9:20] about the or that I hear it spoken about

[9:23] with the amount of depth and profundity

[9:27] that is was part of your description of

[9:30] the dream yoga as far as kind of

[9:31] dropping into the fundamental nature of

[9:34] mind there's a little bit of a a a fear

[9:37] reflex there like I kind of want to like

[9:40] reduce my stress I kind of want to relax

[9:43] I like what mindfulness does but that

[9:46] sounds like what am I gonna get there is

[9:47] there that's beautiful yeah that's a

[9:49] really great Insight Travis great

[9:51] question and I think here what needs to

[9:52] be done and this is what we explore in

[9:54] these programs there needs to be a

[9:57] slightly more refined understanding of

[9:59] the nature of our own mind and in

[10:01] particular here a very critical

[10:03] distinction is really being able to

[10:05] distinguish between two levels of the

[10:07] unconscious mind and what you're

[10:09] referring to is is the

[10:11] classical kind of uh first stage of the

[10:15] unconscious mind this is the stage that

[10:16] Freud really accessed in the west most

[10:19] powerfully um it's so much in the domain

[10:21] of of of psychotherapy even to this date

[10:25] and and in this kind of strata at this

[10:28] level of the subconscious or unconscious

[10:30] mind there is a lot of refuges there is

[10:33] a lot of what I like to refer to as

[10:35] spiders and snakes of rejected

[10:37] experience and a lot of Shadow elements

[10:39] a lot of unwanted rubbish is um thrown

[10:43] into this subconscious unconscious mind

[10:46] and indeed that can have some unwanted

[10:49] consequences and can be a little bit

[10:52] disconcerting um those who experience

[10:54] nightmares are subject to the expression

[10:57] of this quality of the unconscious mind

[11:00] more directly in the dreams they we run

[11:03] as I alluded to before whether we know

[11:05] it or not and this is one of the

[11:07] definitions of what it means to be

[11:08] asleep both psychologically and

[11:10] spiritually and even Christ said it you

[11:13] know on one level you could say you

[11:14] could interpret what he said forgive

[11:16] them Father for they know not what they

[11:18] do in a certain sense we spend most of

[11:20] our Lives not knowing what we're doing

[11:23] based on this vast repository of the

[11:27] unconscious mind is the Russon

[11:28] psychological tradition go for it so you

[11:32] have to kind of understand that that's

[11:33] like an intermediate bandwidth of the

[11:35] mind that can really provide a a

[11:37] tremendous amount of resistance and even

[11:40] fear I and it's simply because we don't

[11:42] know that there's something deeper than

[11:44] that and that that isn't really who we

[11:45] are that's just a bunch of clouds

[11:49] fundamentally that we can absolutely

[11:50] penetrate so when we go into these

[11:52] deeper

[11:53] practices we start to access uh an even

[11:57] more foundational level of the

[11:59] unconscious mind and this is you could

[12:01] say is more in the domain of the

[12:03] spiritual Traditions um and the

[12:05] fantastically good news about this level

[12:07] of the unconscious mind is that it is

[12:10] absolutely beneficent it's radiant it's

[12:13] divined it's perfectly pure um in the

[12:16] Shambala Buddhist tradition as you well

[12:18] know is referred to as basic goodness

[12:20] and this is the ground of our being this

[12:22] is the absolute substrate of who we are

[12:26] and if we understand that even at the

[12:28] level of the map even doctrinally you

[12:31] know even through this kind of

[12:32] philosophical view then we realize that

[12:35] yeah you might have to penetrate through

[12:37] some of this unwanted stuff I mean

[12:38] really one way or or another you have to

[12:41] relate to these unconscious aspects of

[12:44] Mind otherwise your conscious life is

[12:46] dictated entirely by this rubbish so in

[12:50] these practices meditation does it to

[12:52] some extent these practices do it a

[12:53] little bit more directly you're going

[12:56] into and then through you're literally

[12:58] cutting through this Refuge this refused

[13:01] experience in the psychologically

[13:03] unconscious mind as you start to access

[13:06] this deeper incredible wealth this

[13:08] Reservoir this this gold mine of of

[13:11] divinity that's within you and to me

[13:14] that's exceedingly important um because

[13:16] that then provides um an Avenue where

[13:19] you can replace anxiety with

[13:21] anticipation where yeah you still might

[13:24] have some nightmares but if you're Lucid

[13:26] in your nightmares that means you have

[13:28] control or these unconscious unwed

[13:31] experiences and then you can start to

[13:33] control them so really the take-home

[13:35] message with these practices is that one

[13:37] way or another the unconscious level of

[13:39] mind the first level is going to dictate

[13:42] what you do at a conscious level whether

[13:44] you know it or not and all psychological

[13:47] work I You could argue a great deal of

[13:49] it and certainly spiritual work is about

[13:51] going through that particular band

[13:54] purifying it processing it cutting

[13:56] through it and then where the

[13:58] psychological aspect you could say hands

[14:00] its baton to the spiritual aspect is

[14:03] that these practices the spiritual

[14:05] components of dream yoga and even sleep

[14:08] yoga which goes even deeper they allow

[14:10] you to explore to access this vast

[14:13] reservoir of tremendous spiritual

[14:14] goodness that is really at the heart of

[14:16] your very being right now and it's

[14:19] really important to understand this when

[14:20] you engage in these nighttime practices

[14:22] because so many of us are literally and

[14:25] metaphorically afraid of the dark and

[14:28] this darkness is really

[14:29] just a cold word for ignorance and

[14:32] ignorance is always associated with fear

[14:34] we're afraid of what we don't know so if

[14:37] we start to explore our own heart and

[14:39] mind you know through these programs

[14:41] through these teachings and then most

[14:42] directly through these practices all a

[14:45] sudden the unknown becomes known and

[14:48] fear is then penetrated and instead of

[14:50] going to sleep and then even

[14:53] dying um with you know with some level

[14:55] of anxiety or trepidation there's just a

[14:58] tremendous sense of anticipation that

[15:00] wow you know deep within me this

[15:02] tremendous sense of wealth and wisdom

[15:04] and compassion and goodness and these

[15:06] practices can actually accelerate

[15:08] accessing these bandwidths of my deepest

[15:10] mind and honestly for me Travis doing

[15:13] these practices for some 30 years this

[15:16] has been hands down the most exciting

[15:18] part is you know being able to drill

[15:21] down you know using a metaphor dropping

[15:24] down into wealth deep within us being

[15:27] able to drill down through all this

[15:30] relative unconscious stuff that causes

[15:32] so much unnecessary suffering saying

[15:34] that's that not at all who I am it's

[15:36] only if you identify with it if you're

[15:38] non Lucid to it then it becomes

[15:41] problematic but if you become Lucid to

[15:43] it if you're aware of it if you realize

[15:45] that's not really who I am and then you

[15:47] can therefore keep your penetrating gaze

[15:50] to cut through it the clouds are still

[15:53] there but you no longer identify with

[15:55] them they no longer have as much power

[15:56] as they do and that is a tremendously

[16:00] liberating aspect of these practices and

[16:03] really for me a very exciting

[16:08] aspect so you mentioned the dying

[16:13] process uh in which you were just

[16:16] saying and makes me think

[16:19] of you were talking about okay there are

[16:22] some there are some maybe snakes and

[16:24] spiders down there that you kind of

[16:26] don't want to deal with and

[16:29] um so you know for me okay I have a a

[16:32] sense of the the vastness that is that's

[16:35] available and also some snake and snakes

[16:38] and spiders to go to sort

[16:41] through and when I when I think about of

[16:43] course that's do it there's a little

[16:47] part of me you know it's like well maybe

[16:49] I can just not if I could just coast

[16:52] along this maybe that that unconscious

[16:55] stuff is you know determining my life uh

[16:58] how how things are going right now but

[17:00] it's pretty much okay it's usually not

[17:03] like totally

[17:05] terrifying um but I also know that I'm

[17:09] headed for death the big

[17:11] uncertainty so you know in a Sit it's

[17:14] like I wonder if there's a little bit of

[17:16] uh there's a little bit of maybe

[17:17] choicelessness there like I'm gonna have

[17:19] to deal with it at some point so maybe

[17:22] uh maybe it's a good idea to look into

[17:25] these practices even if there's some

[17:26] resistance yeah I think so Tris because

[17:29] you know really um according to the at

[17:32] least the the Buddhist view Buddhist

[17:34] view of Mind in

[17:36] reality um when we do die you know not

[17:40] unlike sleeping actually there there are

[17:41] many coreless many analogues between the

[17:43] process of sleeping and the process of

[17:46] of dying and in fact in the in the

[17:48] Tibetan Buddhist tradition which is

[17:50] really of all the schools of Buddhism

[17:52] the Tibetan Buddhists are the ones who

[17:53] really put forth dream

[17:55] yoga and sleep yoga and dream yoga

[17:58] really came about principally in the

[18:00] Buddhist tradition as a way to prepare

[18:02] for death and the more you explore this

[18:05] the more you start to see how true this

[18:07] really can be because really when we

[18:09] sleep and according to the buddist vi

[18:11] when we die it's really in both

[18:15] expressions of mind they are indeed

[18:17] journeys of the mind they're they're um

[18:20] Retreats away from The Superficial

[18:24] exterior um and really suffering ridden

[18:28] Liv we may we may not think we're

[18:30] suffering all the time but you know if

[18:33] you are engaged in any level of

[18:35] experience that is impermanent that is

[18:38] subject to change sooner or later there

[18:41] will be a level of dissatisfaction which

[18:44] is probably the best way to interpret

[18:46] the truth of suffering in the western

[18:48] world and um it behooves I think Sera

[18:53] sensitive people to really take a look

[18:54] as he suggested that you know there is

[18:56] this encroaching Darkness Called Death

[18:59] and maybe there's something I can do

[19:01] about it maybe there's something I can

[19:04] do to

[19:05] prepare my journey into uh know this

[19:09] ultimate Darkness so to speak and this

[19:11] is where you know this is the final

[19:13] stage of the Nighttime Yoga really the

[19:15] nocturnal meditations reach their

[19:18] culmination when you can actually

[19:20] penetrate the mysteries of death

[19:21] according to the Tibetan view with these

[19:23] practices and it makes complete sense

[19:25] because as you cycle through the dream

[19:28] State and then even more profoundly deep

[19:30] dreamless sleep these are considered

[19:33] what are called concordant experiences

[19:35] of what happens um when we die and if

[19:38] you can Lev attain a level of Lucidity

[19:41] in your dreams and then even deeper kind

[19:44] of what I refer to as graduate school

[19:47] nighttime practice and what's called

[19:49] Sleep yoga maintaining Lucidity and deep

[19:51] dreamless sleep then really what takes

[19:53] place is an extremely refined and

[19:55] sophisticated understanding and

[19:57] relationship to the nature of one's own

[19:59] mind a level of mind that is not subject

[20:02] to any level of form it's not subject to

[20:05] um this so-called external body it's not

[20:08] even held by the machinations of the

[20:10] subtle body which is what's involved in

[20:13] dream in in the the dreamless state

[20:15] which is again concordant with the death

[20:18] State you drop into What's called the

[20:20] indestructible body and this is really

[20:21] an analog to this deep Divinity that I

[20:23] was alluding to earlier so that deep

[20:26] deep unconscious mind which really when

[20:28] its access is discovered to be

[20:32] superconscious this is in fact a quality

[20:34] of experience that that is not subject

[20:36] to the vicissitudes of time and space

[20:39] it's not subject subject to um form um

[20:43] and that's why dreamless sleep is

[20:45] formless sleep we can develop a

[20:47] relationship to that that's a pretty

[20:50] subtle relationship with our own mind

[20:52] that can bring about a tremendous sense

[20:54] of confidence and understanding as to

[20:57] what possibly might happen when all all

[20:58] these outside forms and situations

[21:01] dissolve as they do every night when we

[21:02] sleep and as they will do a little bit

[21:04] more definitively when we die and

[21:07] therefore you know the great you know

[21:09] one of the great consequences of these

[21:11] practices is developing not only a

[21:14] Fearless attitude towards what happens

[21:16] every night when we go to sleep but much

[21:19] more um kind of profoundly a Fearless

[21:23] attitude toward what happens at the

[21:24] Darkness at the end of our life and this

[21:27] to me you know I mean I've spent many

[21:29] years studying and actually practicing

[21:32] the meditations on G and this is really

[21:35] one of the ways I found myself being

[21:36] involved in dream yoga as a way to

[21:38] supplement my understanding and it has

[21:41] been profoundly transformative for me I

[21:43] mean we'll see what happens when I die

[21:45] um but at this point I have to say

[21:47] because I've developed um a more refined

[21:49] relationship to my own heart mind I

[21:52] don't relate to the end of my life with

[21:54] as much trepidation as I once did so

[21:57] stay tuned and we'll see if that

[21:59] sustains

[22:01] itself I hope

[22:04] so so

[22:07] maybe uh shifting gears a little bit to

[22:11] maybe a more mundane yeah it's good to

[22:13] come back to some of that yeah me you

[22:14] know again just parenthetically sleep

[22:16] yoga and Bardo yoga which is what we are

[22:19] kind of spinning around here a little

[22:20] bit these are um little bit more refined

[22:24] deeper understanding sophistication I

[22:25] think of these practices so I think it

[22:27] would be who to come back and just

[22:29] explore lucid dreaming and dream yoga

[22:31] because for the most part this is much

[22:33] more available to people it's really

[22:35] much more fun it's much more even

[22:37] entertaining so let's uh let's land on

[22:39] that for a few minutes uh yeah it's good

[22:42] to know uh that this goes far and deep

[22:48] and that we can just kind of

[22:51] begin uh somewhere as you mentioned you

[22:54] know um to begin with lucid dreaming and

[22:58] then beginning to actually apply

[23:02] some uh some intention to practice using

[23:07] dream yoga while lucid so we could start

[23:10] by having fun and then get into some

[23:12] practice uh which

[23:14] sounds uh accessible and appealing and

[23:17] that we don't have we're not going to

[23:19] just uh necessarily drop off the deep

[23:22] end on you know night one but we might

[23:25] um one consideration that I wanted to

[23:28] add ask you to speak to

[23:31] is

[23:33] regarding rest yes a lot of us uh lots

[23:39] of work right up to the going to work to

[23:44] preparing to like this and that it's

[23:48] just full of Activity full of work and

[23:50] are some people may think well nighttime

[23:53] yeah that's when I don't have to do

[23:55] anything it's the best right uh is this

[23:59] going to ruin that for People Are People

[24:02] rest what how do you what do you say to

[24:03] that yeah exactly you know no not at all

[24:06] I mean first of all yeah if you're

[24:08] hardcore and it really is worth

[24:10] exploring with kind of you know the

[24:12] extreme I wouldn't say extreme but the

[24:13] deeper aspects you can engage in dream

[24:15] yoga retreats where you do interrupt the

[24:19] Sleep patterns during the night to take

[24:21] advantage of sleep cycles but then you

[24:24] recover that by taking naps during the

[24:26] day generally what I recommend people do

[24:28] is and again this doesn't really disrupt

[24:30] um our rest that much because in the

[24:33] early stages of the night and this is

[24:34] where it's very helpful to understand

[24:36] sleep cycles and and the incredible work

[24:38] of Steven Le this is what I think makes

[24:40] this particular program so unique is

[24:42] that step brings you know a tremendous

[24:46] sophistication from the Western

[24:48] Scientific approach to the dream process

[24:51] altogether and really the great strength

[24:53] of what we do is is as the title of the

[24:55] program Intimates is that we join really

[24:59] the best of the East and The Best of the

[25:00] West and here one aspect of the Best of

[25:03] the West in terms of what the science of

[25:06] the West can contribute here is that if

[25:07] you have an understanding of the sleeve

[25:09] Cycles which is pretty easy to to bring

[25:11] about th is such an expert here we

[25:14] realize that the first part of the night

[25:16] is really dominated by non-rm Sleep um

[25:20] deep restorative sleep and at that point

[25:22] you don't really engage in any of the

[25:25] the dream yoga techniques at all you let

[25:27] the body mind do what it needs to do to

[25:30] establish and reintegrate its rest but

[25:33] what you do do is you take advantage of

[25:36] what I call to was Prime Time dream time

[25:39] which is really um towards the latter

[25:41] phases of the night just before you get

[25:43] up and there are a number of really

[25:44] interesting prac practices and

[25:46] techniques you can do where you engage

[25:48] in this Prime Time dream time because as

[25:50] you go through the night the monre

[25:54] states which are deep restored to sleep

[25:56] are are prominent REM sleep which is

[25:59] rapid eye movement sleep almost

[26:02] synonymous with dreaming but not um

[26:04] entirely so that's 10 when we tend to

[26:07] dream as we go through the night they um

[26:10] switch so in other words as you go

[26:12] through the night your restorative sleep

[26:14] diminishes anyway your non-rem sleep

[26:17] diminishes and your REM sleep increases

[26:20] so as you're going through the night

[26:21] you're getting the restoration and sleep

[26:23] that you need as you progress towards

[26:25] the morning your dreams tend you know

[26:27] the r States get longer longer up to 45

[26:30] minutes really in the last dream cycle

[26:32] of the night this is when you amp up

[26:34] your practices and this is what I do I

[26:36] mean I'm I'm like everybody else I need

[26:38] my sleep I need my rest and I don't

[26:42] really mess with that during the first

[26:43] parts of the night I start to engage in

[26:46] some of these practices you know setting

[26:48] up my alarm and doing certain techniques

[26:50] an hour or so before I would normally

[26:52] get up that really doesn't disrupt my

[26:55] sleep very much at all and then really

[26:57] as you gain some um facility proficiency

[27:00] with these techniques and practices um

[27:03] it's not really going to interfere

[27:04] certainly my experience at all because

[27:06] you're basically going to engage in the

[27:09] Lucidity practices in the space when

[27:11] you're already dreaming anyway you're

[27:13] just simply Lucid when you're doing it

[27:15] so it's not messing with anything that

[27:18] well I shouldn't say that what it's

[27:19] messing with is your unconscious

[27:21] practice of confusion so it's going to

[27:23] mess with that it's going to mess with

[27:26] intentionally mess with that which

[27:28] causes us so much unnecessary suffering

[27:30] but it certainly will not mess with your

[27:32] sleep or it doesn't for me and that's

[27:35] really important to understand because

[27:36] some people may be intimidated by it and

[27:38] they really don't need to be you know

[27:41] really understanding the way the mind

[27:43] and body rest during the first phase of

[27:45] the night and how dreams increases and

[27:46] that progresses so that can help a

[27:50] lot uh that doesn't sound so

[27:54] bad yeah it's generally not

[27:59] um I wonder and I hope this isn't

[28:02] putting you on the spot too much but I

[28:04] wonder if there's anything that you may

[28:05] offer people who are watching or

[28:07] listening to this that they may take

[28:11] into

[28:12] their day or even into their their night

[28:16] of sleep tonight that may um you know

[28:19] maybe for them to uh contemplate that

[28:23] may give some sort of flavor of what um

[28:26] the teachings of practices of dream yoga

[28:29] are about I mean in terms of like lucid

[28:33] dream induction techniques or what to do

[28:34] if you're actually in a lucid dream

[28:36] state or a little bit of

[28:38] both

[28:40] um well I think that I was uh thinking

[28:44] more of and I've um I guess I haven't

[28:47] said this yet but I did a a dream Yoga

[28:49] Retreat with Andrew a few years ago and

[28:52] one thing that we did was um there's

[28:55] like daytime components to to the to the

[28:59] practice and um which I think just serve

[29:03] as like interesting contemplations of of

[29:07] questioning the solidity of uh our

[29:09] waking state which we usually consider

[29:11] to be the real

[29:16] thing the sort

[29:17] of they offer let me say something about

[29:20] that right away Tris because I think

[29:22] this is a really important Point um this

[29:24] is one of the the biggest um

[29:28] differentiating aspects between lucid

[29:30] dreaming and dream yoga is that dream

[29:33] yoga has a a very formidable daytime

[29:36] component in fact sometimes I refer to

[29:38] them as um reciprocating practices which

[29:42] basically are the technical term is

[29:44] bidirectional scientists like that term

[29:46] so what this means is that the the

[29:48] nighttime practices during yoga the

[29:51] daytime practice is the practice of elus

[29:53] re form which is what you were talking

[29:54] about and elus form can be practiced in

[29:57] a number of different ways um one of

[29:59] which is simply to remind yourself as

[30:01] often as you can that this in fact what

[30:03] you seem to perceive is a so-called

[30:06] solid lasting and independent IE

[30:09] dualistic world is in fact is your

[30:12] opening question um alluded to is really

[30:14] just the dream so this is a what's so

[30:18] cool about this kind of reciprocating

[30:20] quality is that the more you do your

[30:23] daytime practice of elus Reform which is

[30:25] really easy and and is really fun

[30:27] there's all kinds of cool things you can

[30:29] do to help you remind yourself that this

[30:32] daytime experience is really highly

[30:35] dreamlike the more proficient you get

[30:38] with your Lucid re form practice which

[30:40] anybody can do you you can never even

[30:42] have a single lucid dream and you can

[30:44] still do Luci form practice however as

[30:49] you get more proficient with your lucier

[30:51] form practice you may find that you get

[30:54] more proficient in your dream yoga

[30:56] practice because there're almost the

[30:58] same practice appli to two different

[31:01] states of Consciousness and then

[31:03] conversely the more proficient you get

[31:06] with your dream yoga practice the more

[31:08] proficient you'll find yourself with

[31:09] your luuc form so they they bootstrap

[31:12] each other they lift each other up and I

[31:15] I really emphasize this point because

[31:18] even if you never have a single lucid

[31:20] dream you can still get to the very

[31:23] essence of what dream yoga is all about

[31:27] through the practice of eluc re form and

[31:30] indeed in in some kind of

[31:32] classifications of these practices dream

[31:35] yoga is actually

[31:36] subsumed under the umbrella of AOS re

[31:39] form in other words a Loos reform is the

[31:41] main practice Green Yoga is is a

[31:44] parenthetical support to that so this is

[31:47] what I really like about these two is

[31:49] that you go back and forth between them

[31:52] strengthening both as as you engage in

[31:54] these and then by really playing with lu

[31:57] during the day once again even if you

[32:00] never have a single lucid dream you will

[32:02] still get to the essence of what dream

[32:05] yoga is all about by challenging the

[32:07] status of this conventional Reality by

[32:11] not taking everything so bloody solidly

[32:14] I mean really if you if you investigate

[32:16] very intimately very closely why it is

[32:20] that you suffer around a particular

[32:23] situation you could argue that a

[32:25] principal ingredient of our suffer

[32:27] uffing is the solidification the

[32:30] reification the taking the contents of

[32:33] your mind to be so solid and real to

[32:36] take this external world to be so solid

[32:40] and real and you could say that your

[32:43] level of suffering is directly

[32:45] proportional to the level of M um

[32:49] reification that you do during the day I

[32:51] mean I know these are big words but

[32:52] they're extremely practical so what we

[32:54] do this is so interesting to me what we

[32:56] do with these practices you could say is

[32:59] that in a in a in one level we try to

[33:02] make and I say this in quotes we try to

[33:06] um strengthen our dreams you could

[33:07] almost say reify we try to make our

[33:10] dream world

[33:12] more

[33:13] powerful as a way to deify or

[33:17] dematerialize our waking world and until

[33:20] you get to the point where really

[33:21] there's fundamentally no difference this

[33:23] is what it means to be awake I mean the

[33:25] Buddha is literally they bodies may go

[33:28] to sleep at night but their mind never

[33:30] turns off there is a subtle 247 level of

[33:34] awareness so for someone who's truly

[33:36] awake there's no fundamental difference

[33:38] between being awake or being asleep and

[33:41] again parenthetically if you take that

[33:42] all the way to the end there's therefore

[33:44] no fundamental difference between

[33:46] sleeping dreaming and dying and being

[33:48] awake you require a level of equinity

[33:52] what we refer to sometimes as one taste

[33:55] it's the same mind expressing itself in

[33:58] all these different venues and what we

[34:01] do with these practices is we come to

[34:03] that Discovery I mean even Steph says so

[34:05] beautifully Steven leberge has an

[34:07] incredible quotation where he says

[34:09] waking consciousness is dreaming

[34:11] Consciousness with sensory constraints

[34:14] dreaming Consciousness is waking

[34:16] consciousness without sensory

[34:17] constraints I mean that's a bit of a

[34:19] heavy one but really it points to this

[34:22] quality that you're simply exploring

[34:25] your mind and your heart in these

[34:27] different Avenues with these different

[34:29] practices and whether you know it or not

[34:33] you are always working with your

[34:35] mind you could say actually more

[34:37] directly if you're not working with it

[34:39] it's working you it's usually working

[34:41] you over so what we do with these

[34:43] practices of luus form dream yoga and

[34:46] really arguably any meditation practices

[34:48] we're simply engaging with our mind more

[34:51] directly we're working with the

[34:53] blueprints of our experience instead of

[34:55] the constructs of our experience and

[34:58] there's no blueprint more profound than

[35:01] the blueprints of these two levels of

[35:03] the unconscious mind that I was talking

[35:04] about earlier know the everything in our

[35:07] manifest world is dictated by what

[35:09] happens in these unconscious levels so

[35:11] if we can bring these unconscious levels

[35:13] of Mind into conscious awareness wake up

[35:16] to them establish a healthy insane

[35:19] relationship to them well that's no

[35:22] small thing you know that's a profound

[35:24] transformation in the way we live our

[35:26] lives that means things still arise

[35:29] thoughts still come about the world

[35:31] continues to manifest in the way that it

[35:33] does but it's no longer so heavy and so

[35:36] serious and so laborious and you and you

[35:38] develop this childlike not um yeah you

[35:42] could say this

[35:44] childlike attitude towards life is um

[35:47] Carefree but not careless is Carefree

[35:50] attitude where you realize the dreamlike

[35:53] qualities of what takes place and and I

[35:56] want to say very quickly there are some

[35:58] Shadow elements to any wisdom teaching

[36:01] and one Shadow element here that we do

[36:03] explore is that if you take this to an

[36:06] extreme you can slide into what um some

[36:09] psychologists and spiritual

[36:10] practitioners refer to as spiritual

[36:12] bypassing where we say well if it's all

[36:14] just a dream it doesn't really matter

[36:16] what I do that's not at all where this

[36:19] goes so what we do is we centrifuge out

[36:21] that shadow element that near enemy from

[36:24] the near friend so we saying that

[36:26] everything is like a dream doesn't

[36:29] automatically have to slide into a

[36:30] nihilistic or or this kind of negative

[36:33] aspect of dismissing the relative

[36:36] realities of this world so I get excited

[36:38] about all the stuff Travis as you can

[36:40] tell because it's a fantastic way to

[36:43] engage a dimension of our experience you

[36:46] know for most people a third of Our

[36:48] Lives that is usually just subject to

[36:51] Total Blackout unconsciousness

[36:53] nothingness so the great gift of these

[36:56] Traditions is so exciting for me is that

[36:58] you can start to now engage these

[37:00] practices you know if you're a serious

[37:02] meditator or someone who's interested in

[37:04] waking up psychologically and

[37:05] spiritually I like to refer to it it's

[37:07] like adding a night shift you know you

[37:09] can now engage in these practices at the

[37:12] highest level is almost

[37:14] 247 and um obviously a lot of people

[37:16] aren't you know that passionate or

[37:19] fanatical about waking up that's

[37:20] completely fine but really at at

[37:23] practical and spiritual levels it allows

[37:25] you to relate to your mind and C at

[37:28] levels that that most people really

[37:30] don't have access to have never really

[37:32] considered and when you gain access and

[37:34] you work with your mind and heart in

[37:36] these ways the the Practical

[37:40] applications and implications are

[37:42] enormous it's a total Game Changer it

[37:45] literally can change the way you relate

[37:47] to everything you're no longer so uncon

[37:51] trapped and things you develop

[37:53] especially with the practice of a reform

[37:55] I sometimes talk about body you develop

[37:58] almost like x-ray

[38:01] eyes develop this kind of superior

[38:03] Vision it gives new kind of impact to

[38:06] the term Insight Meditation because you

[38:09] develop profound insight into the nature

[38:12] of whatever arises and this is really

[38:15] the essence of Liberation you know so

[38:16] again thoughts everything still

[38:18] continues to display thoughts and

[38:20] emotions continue to arise the world

[38:23] continue to manifest the way it does but

[38:26] you're no longer trapped in it the way

[38:28] you once were because you're no longer

[38:30] relating to it in this solid lasting and

[38:32] independent way and you could say this

[38:35] is one way to talk about what it means

[38:37] to wake up you wake up from this

[38:39] dualistic world of solidity into a world

[38:43] that is much more malleable fluid dream

[38:47] like and then a direct um corate to that

[38:51] is an experience of tremendous freedom

[38:53] and Liberation it's as if the Prison

[38:55] Walls have just been dropped away way

[38:58] you develop this delightful Carefree

[38:59] attitude which is characteristic of

[39:01] those in fact who do wake up that's the

[39:04] nature of mind and

[39:05] reality

[39:07] so there you have it yeah there there we

[39:11] have some of it you know and it's uh uh

[39:14] certainly clear to me and probably

[39:16] everybody who's listening this is um

[39:19] just to start to consider some of this

[39:21] stuff is immediately provocative kind of

[39:25] bring the question of

[39:27] uh is this reality dream like what's the

[39:31] what is my dream what is my wakeful

[39:34] experience already as a game shifter

[39:37] yeah and then clearly there's lots

[39:41] behind uh you know this sort of

[39:45] introductory discussion on it and so I

[39:48] wonder if there's anything

[39:51] um before we conclude and sign off that

[39:55] you'd like to say about about the

[39:59] retreat at SMC which is a 5-day Retreat

[40:01] and a lot of time to really like get

[40:04] into this more um a great opportunity to

[40:10] experience

[40:11] some uh some game changing I know if

[40:16] there you've said a lot about like what

[40:18] um about dream yoga and that clearly

[40:21] there's some there practices nighttime

[40:23] practices daytime practices that will be

[40:26] introduced then uh you're teaching with

[40:29] Steven Lear who you've uh mentioned

[40:33] anything else that you'd want to say

[40:35] about the retreat you know what people

[40:37] can expect before yeah thanks for that

[40:40] opportunity Travis first of all it's

[40:41] really fun I mean you know I talked with

[40:43] Stephen before in Hawaii and he's an

[40:46] absolute Jewel he's really arguably the

[40:49] father of Luci the dreaming in the

[40:51] Western World he's a Monumental force in

[40:53] this in this field I have utmost respect

[40:56] for him and he he practices what he

[40:58] preaches he's utterly delightful to work

[41:01] with he's brilliant as all get out very

[41:04] funny guy um and I just love working

[41:07] with them and what we do this you know

[41:09] we engage in our own

[41:11] presentations um he concentrates a

[41:14] little bit more on the so-called Western

[41:15] end me a little bit more on the Eastern

[41:17] end but we both have a a pretty deep

[41:20] understanding of each other's fields and

[41:23] at the same time as we definitely

[41:25] augment and support each other we also

[41:27] challenge each other in I think really

[41:29] fun ways he doesn't get allow me to get

[41:32] away with any metaphysical mumbo jumbo

[41:35] um I might call him in some of you know

[41:37] his Western

[41:39] Scientific approaches but basically what

[41:42] comes out of the whole thing is a is a

[41:44] delightful

[41:45] opportunity um to explore mind and

[41:49] reality in a way that's very

[41:52] profound very practical that's the other

[41:55] thing I really want to emphasize it

[41:56] might it might seem initially you know a

[41:58] little bit like esoteric even wildly so

[42:02] but my experience with these things for

[42:04] over 20 years of of serious practice is

[42:08] that the Practical implications of these

[42:11] things are are absolutely enormous it

[42:14] will change the way you relate to your

[42:16] emotional upheavals it will change the

[42:18] way you relate to anything that would

[42:21] bring about this heaviness in our lives

[42:24] there are so many applications to this

[42:26] and this is what will explore over the

[42:28] course of these five days there's so

[42:29] many ways that you can use these

[42:32] practices to immediately improve your

[42:35] life and that to me is what makes it so

[42:37] terribly exciting and all the while we

[42:40] engage not only in um dialogues like

[42:44] this presentations dactic presentations

[42:47] but really most compellingly is we work

[42:49] with meditations we work very gently

[42:52] with Rays to engage some of these

[42:54] induction methods and then what takes

[42:57] place and like what do you actually do

[42:59] when you're doing dream yoga what are

[43:01] the actual yogas we go through those

[43:04] it's a very rich world that joins the

[43:07] East and West um inner and outer

[43:10] psychology and

[43:12] spirituality so there's a lot that

[43:14] really comes to fruition in a program

[43:16] like this I have to say for me it's such

[43:18] an honor to work with Ken and his I'm

[43:21] I'm sorry Stephen and his support staff

[43:23] Keen Kristen um it's just a real Delight

[43:26] for me to present this material in the

[43:29] context of someone like Stephen and what

[43:32] he brings to this so I'm really excited

[43:35] about it I have to tell you I mean we've

[43:36] been talking about doing this for a

[43:37] number of years now to actually finally

[43:40] make it happen is a really cool

[43:43] thing well well excited here too uh I'll

[43:47] be participating so I've been looking

[43:48] forward to it and uh just always a joy

[43:52] to and great honor to host um t teachers

[43:56] like yourself and Steven Lear as well as

[44:00] uh all the wonderful people that will be

[44:02] joining us so uh very much looking

[44:05] forward to all of you coming up for a

[44:09] for a nice long

[44:11] stay and it's just uh little less than a

[44:16] month away as I mentioned August well I

[44:19] guess we're about three weeks now August

[44:21] 20th to the

[44:23] 25th and the program once again

[44:27] is awaken in your dreams lucid dream

[44:29] Yoga East and West and you can learn

[44:33] more about the

[44:34] program and register for the program by

[44:37] going to our website shalam mountain.org

[44:41] and if you click on our blog and scroll

[44:44] down you can find more interviews like

[44:47] this so uh thank you all very much for

[44:51] tuning in and watching or listening and

[44:55] or and uh Andrew thank you again so much

[44:58] for uh for taking the time today to have

[45:02] this discussion and to offer uh you know

[45:05] a glimpse into the dream yoga world and

[45:08] also for your

[45:10] ongoing deep teaching that you offer so

[45:13] many people thank you it's my pleasure

[45:16] and I look forward to seeing you thank

[45:17] you all the

[45:19] best okay we'll see you

[45:25] soon

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Frequently Asked Questions

Lucid dreaming is the ability to realize you're dreaming and remain in the dream. Dream yoga uses lucid dreaming as a platform for spiritual practice—you work with the dream state to train your mind and cultivate awakening, then bring those insights into waking life. Recreational lucid dreaming has no practice component; dream yoga is specifically designed to deepen consciousness and accelerate spiritual development.
No. Dream yoga is designed to work naturally with your sleep cycles and is supportive of rest. You're not staying awake late or artificially forcing lucidity. The practice unfolds within normal sleep and, when done properly, actually enhances sleep quality rather than compromising it.
Dream yoga trains the unconscious mind directly—the realm beneath conscious awareness that, according to depth psychology, shapes how we perceive and respond to reality. By cultivating awareness and specific qualities in dreams, you rewire your deepest patterns. These changes carry into waking life, affecting how you respond to stress, emotions, and challenges.
No. Dream yoga begins with basic lucid dreaming, which almost anyone can learn, and you progress only as far as your own intention and interest take you. There's no prerequisite beyond genuine curiosity and willingness to explore your own mind at deeper levels.
In Tibetan Buddhist teaching, dying resembles falling asleep—consciousness continues but the sensory world dissolves. If you train your mind to remain lucid through transitions (waking to dream to dreamless sleep and back), you develop capacity to remain conscious and aware during the dying process itself, which is considered a profound spiritual advantage.
Begin with standard lucid dreaming: keep a dream journal, practice reality checks during the day (asking yourself if you're dreaming), and work on becoming lucid in your dreams. Once lucidity becomes stable, you can introduce simple practices—like focusing on objects in the dream or sustaining the dream as your attention holds. From there, a formal tradition offers deeper methods.
No. Vivid dreams happen spontaneously and you're usually not aware you're dreaming. Lucid dreaming and dream yoga require you to *know* you're dreaming while you're inside the dream and remain conscious there. This is a specific trainable skill, not just natural dream vividness.
Yes. Where intention is involved, karma is involved—even in dreams. This is why the distinction between recreational lucid dreaming and dream yoga matters. If you spend lucid dreams indulging wishes, you train your mind in a particular way that carries karmic consequences. Dream yoga directs intention toward awakening and liberation instead.

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